Netanyahu, Israel and America

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu is in the US this week. In the wake of President Obama’s speech calling for a peace settlement based on the 1967 borders with negotiated land swaps to ensure the security of Israel, a laundry list of the usual Republican fuckwits began screaming that the president was throwing Israel under the bus. Netanyahu himself intentionally distorted the president’s remarks and has been sucking up to the American right wing, even going so far as to appear on Hannity, perhaps the most partisan, dishonest ass on American network television.

Speaking before Congress yesterday, Netanyahu said:

“Israel will not return to the indefensible boundaries of 1967,” Netanyahu said, prompting a big standing ovation.

Later he added: “Israel on the 1967 lines would be only 9 miles wide. So much for defensible borders.”

As Netanyahu himself pointed out, the President has not called on Israel to return to the exact 1967 borders. The President has said that a peace agreement should be “based on 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps.”

I want to tread a very fine line here.
I am not a supporter of Netanyahu. I am not a supporter of Israel’s expansion of the settlements or their conduct in the occupied territories. I support a two-state solution; a secure homeland for the Palestinians. Watching the Republicans play this issue on Netanyahu’s coattails for political points against the president makes me angry and frustrated.

That said, I support Israel as a homeland for the Jews; its right to exist within secure borders.

There is a danger in much of the reflexive, “I’m so sick of Israel and all the money we send them! AIPAC can suck it!” rhetoric that is flaring up. Not to say there’s no justification for it, but it comes awfully close to the sort of thing one finds on Storm Front.
And thus we come to the fine line…
Not everyone who opposes Israel is an anti-Semite. But when one’s principled opposition to Israeli policies, and by extension American policies, finds one standing shoulder to shoulder with skinheads and neo-Nazis, chanting very similar slogans, THAT ought to give one pause.

This is not a case of playing the race card. It is simply to acknowledge that there IS antisemitism out there, and that it’s woven through American culture in very subtle (and not so subtle) ways. Glenn Beck’s attacks on George Soros accusing him of profiting from leading Jews to the camps was not JUST the ranting of a contemptible, lying assclown – it’s a calculated appeal to a hateful paranoia that is in no way uncommon and not far beneath the surface.

Yes, America has done much for Israel and the Jews. That is not a one way street.
Einstein and Oppenheimer did much for America (not to mention the Coen brothers)…the diphtheria test, the contraceptive pill, streptomycin, the polio vaccine – the list of Nobel prizes awarded to American Jews in medicine alone will peel your skull back. Have a look for yourself.
And not only medicine. Some other American Jews you know: Alan Greenspan, Paul Krugman, Milton Friedman and Josef Steiglitz; Noam Chomsky; Richard Feynman, Murray Gell-Mann, Carl Sagan, Wolfgang Pauli, and Leonard Susskind; Erich Fromm, Steven Pinker; Louis Brandeis, Ruth Bader-Ginsberg, Elena Kagan, Abe Fortas and Benjamin Cardozo.
I haven’t even considered the writers, composers, singers, actors and playwrights…and you can keep Bob Dylan.

There must be a line between the “Israel right or wrong” bullshit that comes oozing from the gob of ignorant fuckwits like Sarah Palin, and “Fuck those power hungry AIPAC, Palestinian genocide, greedy banker Jews!”
And America needs to find it or something really fucking ugly and regrettable will be the result.

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19 Responses

  1. Israel does not speak for me, either,

    I now expect our “friends” at The Kosher Stormfront–oops–the JTF to pop up…like a case of herpes…

  2. You and I got into this a few years ago with you calling me antisemitic because I don’t inherently support one groups right to go in and kick people out of their houses because some colonial powers gifted stolen lands to somebody else based upon bullshit stories told by people so archaic as to predate toilet paper..

    I love the cognitive dissonance that takes place when supporting the League of Nations giving the British control over the Palestinian territories, but denouncing everything else they touched.

    The fact that Israel is the ‘Jewish’ state means shit to me. The fact that Israel is based off the blood of Palestinians and American tax-dollar money means a whole lot. Perpetuating the myth that if you stand against Israel you stand with the Nazis only empowers Israel at the cost of sensible people and solutions.

    • Israel was created as a homeland for the Jews following the Holocaust. Britain didn’t want them, the US didn’t want them, and there was no way they were going to go sifting through Poland, Germany, France, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Austria, Italy and the rest of Europe returning all that was stolen from the Jews. It was not only impractical, it was impossible.
      The UNITED NATIONS carved out a chunk of desert with no oil under it to solve a massive humanitarian problem.
      Your knowledge of the details of that period of history is sorely lacking. The VAST majority of the people now called Palestinians were fairly and properly compensated for the land that became Israel. You seem to think that their doors were kicked in and they were dragged from their homes and placed in internment camps. The fact of the matter is that, for purely political purposes, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan all refused to let Palestinians into their countries – they wanted Palestinian refugees to be homeless and stateless for their own reasons.
      As I said in the bit, I support a secure Palestinian state. I also support Israel as a homeland for the Jews and its right to secure borders.
      The position you take really does smack of antisemitism. The majority of ISRAELIS oppose Israeli policies in the occupied territories…but you don’t stop there – you go almost completely Storm Front: “Based on the blood of the Palestinians!” Horseshit. You live in Turkey – talked to any Armenians? You’re an American – how many Natives you know? Don’t yammer at me about Palestinians based on a shoddy comprehension of history. In the wake of the Holocaust, the creation of Israel was NECESSARY. And there’s no comparison between hauling train cars full of 6 million Jews off to death camps and the occupied territories: one is genocide, the other is reprehensible and oppressive state policy that needs to be changed.
      Likewise for your League of Nations crap. I’m not defending British colonialism any more than you’re defending American colonialism – it’s an infinite regression that achieves nothing in terms of dealing with the situation today. It is disingenuous to equate the expansion of settlements with the creation of the state itself. You come very close to sounding like a founder of the PLO – very close to “Drive the Jews into the sea!”
      Which was precisely my point. If reasonable people can’t find some sane place between YOU and Bejamin Netanyahu, there’s going to a lot more blood spilled than the hideously exaggerated amount you associate with the creation of Israel.

      • You make the fallacy of saying that because the rest of the world were spineless, racist, and complacent with the Nazis until they came knocking at their door, it makes it OK to fuck over other people. It doesn’t, it is still wrong. Also, it wasn’t impossible to properly and fairly repatriate the Jews, it was extremely possible but greed and racism stopped it from happening. It was much easier and more economical to make it somebody else’s problem.

        The UN carved out the land because the League of Nations fucked over half-the-world and Britain had control over those territories. Hell, if Post-WWI had gone differently, WWII and the Jewish Holocaust wouldn’t have happened.

        Also, the Arabs rejected the partition of 1949, so even if they weren’t having their doors kicked in, and even if the UN was giving them cents-on-the-dollar for their land, they were still being forced out of their homes for other peoples benefit.

        Again with the antisemitism eh? Really, anytime anybody disagrees with anything having to do with Israel that isn’t Jewish, do you pull that card out? Seriously, try to repress your knee-jerk reactionary-ism on the topic and contemplate the fact that I may just not like the policies, death, and violence caused by the occupation of other people’s lands and would feel the exact same way regardless of who the offending people were. As far as knowing any Armenians or Native Americans or any of that other bullshit, besides being a worthless Red Herring, the fact is I lived on the Navajo Reservation in New Mexico, I fucking live with more Kurds than Turks.

        Finally, StormFront, really? Go fuck yourself. Pulling that shit out on me is just fucking disrespectful. “You disagree with me? You must be a white supremacist”. Again, I wouldn’t feel any different about the situation there if it was any other two groups of people. One group got fucked over by the other and Europe and America were in on the screwing. The founder of the PLO might have said “Drive the Jews into the Sea!” but Truman said “Let them [the Arabs] all go to hell!”.

        • It’s rather difficult to accuse me of chanting “Israel Right or Wrong” when I clearly oppose Israeli policies in the occupied territories / expansion of the settlements, and support a secure Palestinian state.

          You may not BE a skinhead, but when your find yourself standing shoulder to shoulder WITH neo-Nazis, that ought to give you pause.

          I don’t know how far back you want to wind the clock in order to start over. World War II DID happen. The Holocaust DID happen. There was a NEED to create a homeland for the Jews. Palestinians were NOT dragged from their homes. Do a little research on the subject. It may have been League of Nations / British colonialism…the fact remains Britain controlled that real estate France controlled chunks of North Africa. America had a grip on Cuba. If we’re gonna wind the clock back, you can start by handing the United States back to the Apache. Israel was not created by invasion or genocide. It was a United Nations resolution. That the Arab nations opposed it is of little consequence. It was the best solution at the time and under all the circumstances. There is a great deal of very good scholarship on the reasons WHY the Arabs opposed it and very little of it had to do with their Palestinian brethren being dispossessed.
          It’s not my position that’s knee-jerk – it’s yours.

          Cents on the dollar? DO SOME READING. Try to draw a distinction (if for no other reason than not doing so is both lazy and willfully blind) between the creation of the state and current Israeli conduct with regard to the occupied territories.
          As for repatriating the Jews…yeah, great idea: “You survived the camps, now go live next door to the people who turned you in, loaded you into the trains, and marched your family into the gas chambers. Good luck getting your house back from whoever’s living there now considering you no longer have ANY of the paperwork that proves ownership in the first place much less identification.”

          I don’t give a rat’s ass what Truman said. Either you support Israel’s right to exist as a homeland for the Jews or you don’t. If you don’t, have a peek at the people who agree with you.

        • “I don’t give a rat’s ass what Truman said. Either you support Israel’s right to exist as a homeland for the Jews or you don’t. If you don’t, have a peek at the people who agree with you.”

          Don’t give me that George Bush False Dilemma bullshit. There are more sides to the story than “you are either with us or against us.” You are so close to the issue that you can’t see through the propaganda and so everybody that disagrees with the stolen-land kingdom of the 20th century has to be a skinhead.

          Also, Ken, your Ad hominem attacks are pathetic. You can do better than relying of fallacies.

          Your appeal to emotions that I am presenting the “Palestinian’s being dragged from their homes” is weak. The fact is, at the time, Palestinians were a majority in the region and thus owned a majority of land. Jews were a minority in the regions and owned a minority of land. The UN Partition Plan gave the minority population a majority of land and pushed the Arabs into regions unfit for agriculture. It also refused to recognize the alternative solution offered by Azzam (whom the quote you like to repeat isn’t confirmed to come from) offered a one-state democratic, secular solution. Which within is where my opinion comes from.

          There is another solution that does not involve two states. One democratic state, offer the right to return (you think the Israelis would be a bit sensitive to that one), and go from there.

        • There’s nothing ad hominem argumentum about my position. I am not attacking you as a means to avoid your propositions. I address your arguments in detail, and I point out that people who share your position are commonly found wearing red laced Doc Martins and sporting “88” tattoos. You may believe your position is based in logic and fairness – I simply point out that you have some rather contemptible cohorts whether you approve of them or not.
          History is rife with majority populations being displaced to accommodate others. Commonly this is achieved through genocide and war. In the singular case of Israel, a solution to a hideous crime resulting in a massive humanitarian need was crafted by THE UNITED NATIONS – they carved out a homeland for the Jews. Of course there were objections. As I said, the reasons for those objections had little to do with the dispossession of Palestinian lands and more to do with both international and domestic politics within the Arab states.
          This is in no way an attempt to justify the policies of Israel in the occupied territories or the humanitarian crisis that is Gaza. I do, however, recognize that the PLO Manifesto STILL asserts, “Drive the Jews into the sea.” Until that is renounced there would not seem to be a reasonable likelihood of a negotiated settlement.

          It is in no way a false dichotomy. You either support Israel as a homeland for the Jews, or you don’t.

          You seem to think I am too close to the issue. How would that be? Is anyone who fails to agree with YOU too close to the issue? I want the Palestinians to have their own state; self-determination within secure borders. There are plenty of reasons why altering Israel to a single state for both Palestinians and Jews absolutely will not work, but you ignore them entirely in favour of what people more familiar with the issue consider a fantasy based on a flimsy notion of equity that has no connection to reality in a country that has been attacked repeatedly by Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan, as well as suffered terrorism against its population on a constant and unceasing basis.

          Right of return? The Jews were not given such consideration when those few remaining alive staggered out of Auschwitz and Bergen Belsen with nowhere to go. It was only within the last decade or so that the money hidden by the Nazis in Swiss banks was finally disgorged – and not all of it by any means – in a settlement paid out to those very few who remain living more than 50 years after the fact. Don’t talk to me about FAIRNESS and Right of Return.

        • It is ad hominem argumentum. I’m tired of this bullshit. Until you start holding Israel and their policies to the same standard as you hold everybody else to, there is only one racist in the room and it ain’t me.
          Again, the Jewish Holocaust and the actions of Europe and the U.S. following WWII was the biggest spotlight our planet has ever had on the evils of humanity and the blight of racism, but that doesn’t make it OK for the U.N. to do what it did and for future Israelis to do what they are doing.
          Until you recognize that the most basic “two wrongs don’t make a right” and stop saying “the RIGHT for a Jewish homeland” and start seeing that a person’s rights end as soon as they start infringing on other peoples rights, and the creation of Israel infringed on the local populations rights. No UN stamp makes that fact go away. No horror’s of the holocaust gives somebody the right to fuck over somebody else.
          There were solutions that didn’t require fucking over the Arabs, but they required the world treating the Jews fairly, whereas ditching them in the Middle East didn’t, so the U.N. washed it’s hands of the problem and made it somebody else’s.
          It really seams that your argument is cheap abuse of the Holocaust in order to make everything that Israel does ok. “We didn’t have right of return, so why should you?” and “The Nazis stole our property, so why shouldn’t we steal yours?” aren’t the arguments that I’d want to make, but I guess that’s because I am an illogical skinhead.

          Finally, again false dichotomies get you nowhere. I gave you another option, thus killing your bullshit “With Israel or against Israel”-mantra.

        • The option you think exists is impractical, unworkable, and unsellable. You might as well suggest giving the Jews a homeland on the moon. Inventing options that simply won’t work and are unacceptable to both sides may convince YOU that there’s an alternative, but that’s only in your imagination.

          You’re the one who twists things around. How many fucking times do I have to say that I do not support Israel’s conduct or policies in the occupied territories before you stop accusing me of standing with the Likud no matter what they do?
          I’m also tired of you claiming I use the Holocaust as an excuse to absolve Israel of any and all responsibility for any and all wrongs. The Holocaust is the starting point. It is the historical event that created the need for a homeland for the Jews. Yes, some Palestinians were displaced; their land, controlled by Britain, was expropriated. Yes, that sucks for the Palestinians. It was simply necessary and the best solution.

          As for a person’s right ending the moment it infringes on the right of another, you are simply wrong. In fact, it would be difficult to be MORE wrong. Rights commonly come into conflict. Such conflicts are resolved through committee, discussion, court proceedings, political negotiations, and/or war. Some rights trump others. The right to control who can play golf at a private country club trumps women’s right to play 18 holes at Augusta National to give you one trite example. So if that’s your basis for making a rights based argument about anything, you need a better understanding of what rights are and how they work.

          Neither do you understand argumentum ad hominem. If ALL I did was call you a Nazi (which I have not), and employ attacks on your character INSTEAD of addressing your rather weak, knee-jerk propositions, THAT would be “at the man”. I have dealt with the points you make and presented counter arguments. I have, IN ADDITION, pointed out that those same arguments are commonly employed by a rather detestable class of people. As I said, when you find yourself standing shoulder to shoulder with the Storm Front crowd, it may be time to reconsider your position.

          Your position is reflexive and demonstrates a rather shallow degree of understanding of the history of the region and the formation of the state itself. I have as much empathy as you do for the citizens of Palestine. I want them to have their own, secure, self-determined state. I oppose Netanyahu’s expansion of the settlements and the illegal blockade. That said, the creation of the state of Israel was necessary, and the plight of those people who today make up the Palestinian population historically has more to do with the Arab states, whose objections to UN Resolution 181 you so readily trumpet, than any other single factor.

        • [I]The option you think exists is impractical, unworkable, and unsellable. You might as well suggest giving the Jews a homeland on the moon. Inventing options that simply won’t work and are unacceptable to both sides may convince YOU that there’s an alternative, but that’s only in your imagination.[/I]

          Explain why a one-state solution is less practical than a two-state solution, because the ‘practical’ option doesn’t seem to have worked to well. Also, you keep saying that I don’t know shit about the situation, and I never have claimed to be all knowledgeable so instead of spouting off how I don’t know shit, why don’t you back up your claims with some facts and references. I don’t think the Arabs were properly compensated when the U.N. came and kicked them out, you do, ok, prove me wrong. It’s that easy.

          [I]You’re the one who twists things around. How many fucking times do I have to say that I do not support Israel’s conduct or policies in the occupied territories before you stop accusing me of standing with the Likud no matter what they do?[/I]

          When did I say that you did? I don’t think I’ve made that accusation, so stop trying to make this something it isn’t.

          [I]I’m also tired of you claiming I use the Holocaust as an excuse to absolve Israel of any and all responsibility for any and all wrongs. The Holocaust is the starting point. It is the historical event that created the need for a homeland for the Jews. Yes, some Palestinians were displaced; their land, controlled by Britain, was expropriated. Yes, that sucks for the Palestinians. It was simply necessary and the best solution.[/I]

          It wasn’t the only solution, it wasn’t the best solution. It was the solution that made the Jews somebody else’s problem so Europe didn’t have to deal with them. To say that it was the best solution and that the Jews had a RIGHT to that land is ignoring the facts. On the topic of rights…

          [I]As for a person’s right ending the moment it infringes on the right of another, you are simply wrong. In fact, it would be difficult to be MORE wrong. Rights commonly come into conflict. Such conflicts are resolved through committee, discussion, court proceedings, political negotiations, and/or war. Some rights trump others. The right to control who can play golf at a private country club trumps women’s right to play 18 holes at Augusta National to give you one trite example. So if that’s your basis for making a rights based argument about anything, you need a better understanding of what rights are and how they work.[/I]

          Again, I don’t know if you are intentionally misrepresenting what I am saying or you are having a case of comprehension failure. That is what I meant. The right of one individual (the women golfer in your case) to play golf is trumped by the right of the property owner to limit who uses their private property. There are interesting legal issues with the U.N. partition plan and if it had the legal right to implement such a plan. Also, even if it had the authority to do so, the ethical question of if the rights of the Europeans to setup a country for the expressed purpose of providing the Jews another place to live (NIMBY in the highest order) trump the rights of the people already living there.

          [I]Neither do you understand argumentum ad hominem. If ALL I did was call you a Nazi (which I have not), and employ attacks on your character INSTEAD of addressing your rather weak, knee-jerk propositions, THAT would be “at the man”. I have dealt with the points you make and presented counter arguments. I have, IN ADDITION, pointed out that those same arguments are commonly employed by a rather detestable class of people. As I said, when you find yourself standing shoulder to shoulder with the Storm Front crowd, it may be time to reconsider your position.

          Your position is reflexive and demonstrates a rather shallow degree of understanding of the history of the region and the formation of the state itself. I have as much empathy as you do for the citizens of Palestine. I want them to have their own, secure, self-determined state. I oppose Netanyahu’s expansion of the settlements and the illegal blockade. That said, the creation of the state of Israel was necessary, and the plight of those people who today make up the Palestinian population historically has more to do with the Arab states, whose objections to UN Resolution 181 you so readily trumpet, than any other single factor.[/I]

          I understand full-well what ad hominem is and your throwing around bullshit analogies to weaken ones character in the eyes of others is ad hominem because I have rejected your claims that any comparison can be made, as I am not an anti-Semite, I am actively against the groups you try to associate me with, and that the arguments I am using are based upon my understanding of the facts and don’t culminate with anybody being killed or driven into the sea, instead with the rightful owners being driven home.

          Saying it was necessary doesn’t make it so. It wasn’t necessary, it was convenient for the Europeans.
          I’m checking out of this discussion because I’ve spent more time on this today than I have on my Master’s homework. I want to finish by saying this, provide me with any resources to show that what I have said is factually inaccurate and I will happily read them. Otherwise, fuck you for calling me an anti-semite because you don’t like what I have said. Until people LIKE YOU start listening to what other people are saying instead of filtering everything through the ‘you disagree with me, therefore you MUST be an anti-semite’-mentality, there won’t be any progress. I may be wrong about some details, but at least I try to understand and gain knowledge, which is more than most.

        • Otherwise, fuck you for calling me an anti-semite because you don’t like what I have said. Until people LIKE YOU start listening to what other people are saying instead of filtering everything through the ‘you disagree with me, therefore you MUST be an anti-semite’-

          There you go AGAIN. Do you have some remedial reading problem? Or is that just your knee-jerk defense whenever anyone points out that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about? I never called you antisemitic. I SAID your arguments mirror those espoused by antisemites. If you don’t like the sound of your own arguments coming out of the mouths of skinheads, that’s YOUR fucking problem, not mine.

          The STATUS QUO ain’t working. A two-state solution has not been tried…YET. The reasons it has not been tried are many – mostly the intransigence of the Israeli right wingers (Netanyahu / Likud); the illegal expansion of the settlements; terrorist attacks against Israeli civilian populations, among others.

          A one state solution is not workable because NO ONE WANTS IT. The Palestinians don’t want it. The Jews don’t want it. If you think it will work, go sell it. See how far you get. If you want solutions, hoarking up something that no one will accept doesn’t seem like a good strategy. You use that impossible option, though, to make a purely mathematical argument: “See, there IS another option!” Yeah…about as practical as moon base Palestine.

          And no, you DON’T understand ad hominem. It’s only ad hominem if I neglect response to your argument in favour of attacking your character. I have specifically addressed your arguments, and I have not attacked your character, so put some salt on that – it will make it tastier while you choke it down.
          Let me repeat: I have addressed your arguments, thus I am NOT employing argumentem ad hominem; I have NOT attacked your character. That your arguments are almost identical to those made by rabid antisemites IS A FACT. I don’t care whether you like that or not, and I don’t care if you THINK that fact amounts to an attack on your character. It isn’t. It just happens to be true. Deal with it.

          For your edification, a history of Zionism and the creation of Israel, and the Wikipedia page on the purchase of Palestinian lands. Pay particular attention to the Arab states refusal to do anything with the Palestinians who were fleeing a war zone except jam them into refugee camps and use them as political pawns, all of which pre-dates the UN Resolution creating the state of Israel. Happy reading.

          http://www.mideastweb.org/zionism.htm

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine

          Some relevant excerpts:

          Most of the land that is the present day Israel, West Bank and Gaza were not owned by small farmers and local living peasants but rather owned by absentee landlords. These landlords were mostly tax collectors or merchants who lived elsewhere. Often these owners were from foreign countries and held “no connection to the land and who often exploited the local workers or fellahin”.

          In the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century, many land purchases were made through organizations such as the Palestinian Jewish Colonization Association (PJCA), Palestine Land Development Co. and the Jewish National Fund. These organizations often offered to purchase the land from the wealthy owners for more than the actual value of the area. The Jewish land purchasers paid extraordinarily high prices for the uncultivated and marsh land. During a visit to Palestine in 1930, John Hope Simpson, a British politician, noticed: “They [Jews] paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay”. It was believed that Jews were paying as much as $1,000 to $1,100 per acre in Palestine for non arable land in 1944. At that same time, one could buy rich arable land in Iowa for a mere $110 per acre.[4]

      • “Israel was created as a homeland for the Jews following the Holocaust. Britain didn’t want them, the US didn’t want them, and there was no way they were going to go sifting through…the rest of Europe returning all that was stolen from the Jews. It was not only impractical, it was impossible.
        The UNITED NATIONS carved out a chunk of desert with no oil under it to solve a massive humanitarian problem.”

        The problem wasn’t that this useless tract of land wasn’t a Jewish state. The real problem was that nobody wanted Jews in their countries. In addition, not only was nobody willing to cut some slack for a people damn near exterminated, they couldn’t even bother giving them back what was taken from them. That “impractical, impossible” property battle rages on to this very day, as current possessors of stolen goods think it belongs to them. (Hmm.) So, I’m not convinced it can be chalked up to the post-war situation alone.

        Yeah, most of Europe was kind of occupied busy, but America had the time and money to put into rebuilding Europe. Just not for the benefit of European Jews. That would, after all, make it harder to convince ex-Nazis to work for Team America against Central Red Army. All that Jews “deserved” were some useless rocks in the middle of nowhere occupied by an EVEN MORE trivial and insignificant people. “We don’t want you Jews, but move there, next to those other people we don’t want coming here. Don’t worry. They won’t mind.”

        Israel is an act of racism in more ways than one. To me, the creation of a Jewish state is a “kinder, gentler” Final Solution for Jews. At the very least, it smacks of “Heim ins Reich” or “Le Québec aux Québécois”, a double sided ethnic cleansing of sorts. If the settlements aren’t an expansion of borders to house those returning to The Fatherland, I don’t know what they are. Well, besides a real estate scam, maybe.

        I consider that a totally (& conveniently) ignored angle of the problem. The Ultimate Problem here was The West’s antisemitism and their “solution” only led to a never-ending problem, one that just might end in one side imposing a Final Solution on the other.

        If it were up to me, I’d impose my own version of a One State Solution. Both sides would be deported to Canada’s Melville Island with nothing but the clothes on their backs. They’ll either learn to get along, or freeze to death. And forget pork, they may even have to acquire a taste for human flesh. (Either way, a gripping Reality TV show in the making.) After 10 years, any survivors get to live in a posh Jerusalem apartment rent free for the rest of their lives in the great state of Isralestine, where religious wars are for retards bent on self-extermination….like a Melville Island Lemming!

  3. Uh, you forgot to mention Leonard Cohen, you bastard!

  4. “Israel will not return to the indefensible boundaries of 1967,” Netanyahu said, prompting a big standing ovation.

    Hey Bebe, you fucktard! Israel did a pretty good job defending those ” indefensible” 1967 boundaries and can do a far better job of defending them with the weaponry they have today.

    I hate that motherfucker.

    • Oopsie Daisy deleted. And you know why. Fuck, man. Don’t do that.

      • Did I post that here? Oh fuck! Wrong place! I meant to post it responding to my fuck-up in the TEA PARTY RACIST NOPE NOT AT ALL comment thread where I talked about sodomizing Obama’s corpse instead of what I actually meant, Osama’s corpse. That bonehead mistake will probably earn me a visit from the Secret Service. This mistake will only get me reprimanded and my video deleted.

        I felt like a clown for mixing Osama & Obama up, so I posted a video of my favourite clown growing up, the appropriately named Oopsy from the renown Canadian TV classicsBig Top Talent and Oopsy the Clown.

        Yeah, sorry about the mix-up. And it was just supposed to be a link to the video, anyway. I don’t know why that keeps happening. I guess I’m really on a fuck-up roll.

        Oopsy Daisy!!! Maybe next time I’ll get it right.

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