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If This is True, Bush and Cheney Should HANG

From Daily Kos via Democratic Underground:

George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld covered up that hundreds of innocent men were sent to the Guantánamo Bay prison camp because they feared that releasing them would harm the push for war in Iraq and the broader War on Terror, according to a new document obtained by The Times.

The accusations were made by Lawrence Wilkerson, a top aide to Colin Powell, the former Republican Secretary of State, in a signed declaration to support a lawsuit filed by a Guantánamo detainee. It is the first time that such allegations have been made by a senior member of the Bush Administration.

Expect Sean Hannity to start shouting something along the lines of, “How many innocent people are still being held in Gitmo by the war criminals in the Obama administration?”

This is the nature of the problem Obama now must deal with.
Can’t just open the doors. That would entail letting at least SOME very dangerous people go free who deserve to be locked up.
They have to have trials..hearings. The evidence, much of it now tainted by the torture employed to get it, must be sorted through.
It would be nice if there were some magical, or even efficient way to identify the innocent, compensate the poor bastards and send them home, but there isn’t.
This is just another…and one of the uglier…bits of cocked up shit left behind by the Constitution shredding fuckwits Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al.
That they were indiscriminately locking up anyone they could lay hands on was clear from the outset, but to learn that they KNEW many of them were innocent…
These motherfuckers ought to be dragged off to the Hague, tried and damn well HANGED.

UPDATE:
Just considering the charges…off the top of my head: Kidnapping, torture, obstruction of justice, false arrest, false imprisonment…
Toss in the cases of illegal rendition to countries where detainees were brutally tortured and murdered, presuming there’s some overlap with the innocent bastards, and you can add murder and accessory to murder to the list.
Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes are not out of the question, and the fact that they KNEW many of these men were completely innocent is a severely aggravating element. That they knew and failed to act in order to prop up their argument for war, which was ITSELF already based on cherry picked intelligence and lies only makes it worse, if such a thing could be possible.

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11 Responses

  1. It is most likely not actually true – but not entirely, from a moral standpoint, false statement due to the complex nature of how detainees reached Gitmo, what reasons they did so, and how they were classified once they were there.

    We captured many people. Some were terrorists / insurgents and others were more normative fighters. All of them ended up in Gitmo, but not all were guilty of any crime other than being enemy combatants (who Iraq and Afghanistan refuse to repatriate).

    Our allies did the same thing and their prisoners ended in Gitmo as well, with the same results.

    And finally – and to my mind wrongly – various allies of ours sent “terrorists” to use for detainment at Gitmo. Some of these were probably victims of political purges by those allies’ government. Kosovo is a prime example of that.

    • There are plenty of cases where it was some harmless taxi driver who was turned in for reward money by neighbours who hated him, or some land owner in the hills and some fuckers wanted the turf, so they ratted him out to the soldier who was offering cash for anyone who aids the Taliban.
      They were certainly NOT all either terrorists, insurgents or “more normative fighters”.
      They were only “enemy combatants” because that’s how George Bush LABELED them all.
      None were tried. None were permitted counsel or habeous corpus. None were permitted to see the evidence against them, or to refute same.
      Sorting this out is going to take time, and there are certainly SOME bad guys in Gitmo. It would appear, however, that what was suspected…rumoured…is in fact the case. There were TOTALLY innocent detainees, who were NOT in any way, shape or form “enemy combatants”, AND this was known at the highest levels and ignored.

      • But how many of them are actually being held on charges and not just as essentially POWs awaiting – problematical these days -repatriation?

        You cite a whole lot of complaints based upon US civilian criminal laws, but few of the people involved have been charged – or were planned to be charged – with any crimes.

        • Who hasn’t been charged? US civilian law? WTF are you talking about?
          Repatriation?
          I think you need to explain what you mean a little more clearly.
          I can’t respond when you’re the only one who know what you’re talking about.

        • 1 – Of the 250+ still at Gitmo only 23 have been charged with any crime under military or civilian courts. Most are just effectively POWs awaiting the end of the wars in their countries.

          2 – One of the biggest problems Bush faced and Obama now faces, is that we wanted and still want to send a lot these people home, but their home nations won’t take them back nor will most other nations accept them.

        • 1 – Many of THOSE cannot, and do not want to go “home”. They face torture and murder, for many reasons, not least of which what they may have told the Americans under torture. Nevertheless, this is not THEIR problem, it’s America’s.

          2 – As Colon Powell warned, you broke it, you bought it. That they have nowhere to go is also America’s problem.

  2. Oh – a quick follow-up:

    I believe that the Hague no longer has the death penalty…

  3. It is no secret that most of the guys at Gitmo are innocent and were turned in in exchange for US money. That’s all there is to it.
    Forget trials.
    Give everybody a Gitmo a few thousand bucks to get a new start, and send them to whatever country they want to go to.
    We are completely in the wrong here.
    The fact that a handful may be guilty changes nothing.

  4. But didn’t Rummy describe them ALL as “the hardest of the hard”? (Which sounds more like a porno, if you ask me.) You don’t mean to say Rummy didn’t tell the truth, do you? Because even his opponents more or less bought that one.

    One of the undermentioned problems with Gitmo (and Abu Grabb-ass) was this drift-net fishing approach. The idea that people could just be rounded up, stored in a top-secret facility, tortured and left to rot, even if they did nothing and even if those in charge knew they did nothing.

    “So what if a couple thousand innocents get snared up and a few die? We got dozens of petty criminals and quasi-POWs (that we don’t have to treat like POWs). We even got a few actual terrorists.”

    The problem with this drift-net approach is:

    1) It flies in the face of centuries of legal tradition, of “innocent until proven guilty” and the idea that “It is better to let 1,000 guilty men go free than imprison one innocent.”

    Bush & Co were more than just willing to do the opposite, guilty until proven innocent…and then left to rot. They were willing to leap back in time to the medieval era, where people were tortured until confession or death based upon the flimsiest of rationale. Sometimes all it took was being unpopular.

    http://www.medievality.com/water-torture.html

    2) The ease in which Bush & Co were not only able to do this and get away with it, but the fact they received a lot of public support while doing it, has all but made drift-net fishing the new “normal”.

    While most are oblivious to it, we have very quickly and very quietly entered an Orwellian era where everyone will be constantly monitored by spy cameras and other high-tech surveillance, all just waiting for you to fuck up and get sent to your own personal Gitmo.

    The next bastard will have at his command constant society-wide spying capabilities, massive databases, and the ability to disappear people like when Scotty got shit-faced and was just beaming people all over the place.

  5. SM, I believe the words that come out of Donald Rumsfeld’s mouth as far as I could swallow them without throwing up.
    I sincerely believe that everything he says (along with Cheney and Rove) is complete horseshit.
    I don’t know if they’re lying. They may be crazy enough to believe what they’re saying, but I doubt it.
    I think they believe the rules don’t apply to them.
    Nothing they say is true.

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