Cesca Out to Expose Beck

I like Bob Cesca. I read his blog, tune in to the Bob and Elvis Podcast now and again, and not infrequently leave comments praising his thoughtful and dedicated efforts to wedge a little bit of truth into the whirlwind of shit that has become political news in America.
Well…mostly vain attempts at humourous snark, but some praise.
His most recent article for HuffPo, however, leaves me wondering if he might be missing the forest for the tree.
Cesca has set himself what appears to me both a pointlessly simple AND Quixotic task – to “expose Glenn Beck”.

…I intend to expose Glenn Beck as a fraud. A dangerous faker who deliberately manipulates his audience by appealing to their basest instincts. As a man who only embraces conservatism and the tea party movement as a means to furthering his significant personal wealth and career as a successful TV goon.

Cesca compares Beck, at one point, to a pro wrestling show – a scripted performance geared to appeal to the target audience while being the furthest thing, despite the athleticism, from real sport (or in Beck’s case, real anything…news, politics, truth, fact, feeling, analysis, thought…)
There’s nothing difficult about establishing this comparison as accurate.
Beck has demonstrated his ability to cry on command. There are witnesses to his tears in rehearsal. He slogged around the Morning Zoo radio game for years, which is not where one looks first for sincerity.
The factual claims Beck makes are not only easily debunked, but are commonly debunked on a daily basis. Media Matters, Politifact, Snopes.com… Demonstrating that the things Glenn Beck says are frequently untrue at best, and ugly fantastic lies at worst is like falling out of boat – it’s pretty easy to get wet.

Bob is concerned that Beck’s audience is being misled, and that they are consequently making bad decisions based on bad information, and that’s bad for democracy. I hope it doesn’t sound mocking of me to say, “Well, DUH!”
Okay…fuck it. That did sound mocking. That’s because a poorly informed electorate is always bad for democracy and Beck is leading a parade of ignorance right down the middle of Main Street, so this observation is rather tautological, n’est pas, Cesca?
I’ll come back to this point in a roundabout way, but let’s leave it aside for a moment.

There are many reasons for a poorly informed electorate, and let’s be clear – the average American voter has their head jammed pretty damn far up their ass. It’s not mere ignorance, but some sort of stubborn willful blindness that’s both frustrating and awesome to behold.
But Glenn Beck isn’t responsible for that. He’s an emergent property – an exploiter of a niche – to be expected in such circumstances.
You can lay at least some of the blame at the feet of the entire corporate media world that continues to employ such blithering lipflaps as Wolf Blitzer and Jim Clancy, Joe Scarborough, John Stossel and a long, long list of yammering incompetents who don’t check facts, don’t do any fundamental research, spend all their time simply refereeing a vicious “he said – she said” back and forth between talking points, and representing that as balanced reportage.
Some of them think they’re doing real journalism – they aren’t. Some of them have an agenda, whether left or right, but they aren’t doing real journalism either for the most part. Glenn Beck is simply the far end of the bell curve, combining lies, fear-mongering and dramatic horseshit with strange voices and cartoonish delivery. His audience is also, for the most part, defined by a narrow segment at the far end of the curve. Sure, it includes some people who might be closer to a dangerous tipping point than the average bear, and his insane rhetoric may well push a few of them to act out. That’s a serious concern, but not the big part of the problem with the promotion of such thinking…or non-thinking, as the case may be.
A better question is this: Who benefits from a poorly informed electorate, and by what means do they ensure that they stay that way?

Back to Bob’s theory for a moment:

My theory is as follows. Glenn Beck is engaged in a carefully orchestrated performance that, if taken to its logical end, can only end up in tragedy — a tragedy, not in the name of some great political or social or religious cause, as too many of his viewers might believe, but rather in the name of pure careerism and greed. A tragedy in the name of Glenn Beck’s personal drive for fame and fortune, not to mention the similar motivations of Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch. (emphasis mine)

This is where I think Bob is missing the forest.
Glenn Beck is certainly getting rich – richer, in fact, than any insane, diseased clown has a right to be for inflicting harm on society like some crazed drug dealer.
I doubt that Glenn Beck really BELIEVES he speaks for the little man, the silent majority, the forgotten America, the good old days…or whatever utterly deluded, fucked up facade he might present in his infantile notion of his place in American political discourse. Whether or not he considers himself a modern day Howard Beale, and the degree to which that’s a bastardization of the character from Network…none of that matters. Distinguishing Beck from the work of Paddy Chayefsky is simply rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
In an utterly insignificant way, Cesca is perfectly right – Beck is simply exploiting the market to fill his pockets. But that’s the least of our problems.

(Gear change)

There has been, in America, over the past 50 years, a largely successful attempt to implement the economic policies of Milton Friedman. The deregulation of capital, the elimination of the middle class, extreme concentration of wealth among the “elite” members of society, globalization…and all accomplished by wrapping terms like “economic growth”, “progress”, and a bunch of other greedy, jingoistic bullshit in the American flag. Somehow, the very policies that helped the rich get obscenely richer while the poor suffered the weight; the very policies that permitted, if not made inevitable, the recent (and perhaps soon to be repeated) economic collapse, were sold to the American public under a variety of names and in a plethora of shiny packaging.
Reaganomics, supply side, trickle down, what’s good for GM is good for America (how’s that Generally Motory thing workin’ out for ya?)
Who took (and kept) all that money? Who bore the burden? These questions have very plain answers, and I don’t think they are at all unrelated to Glenn Beck…which may seem a stretch, but bear with me a moment or three.

We’ve seen Chicago School Economic policies at work before. They were implemented by Augusto Pinochet in Chile, immediately after that DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED SOCIALIST Salvadore Allende was out of the way. (I trust those words have a familiar ring.)
Sadly, at least from the perspective of Friedman’s disciples, the means employed by Pinochet in Chile are rather beyond the pale for America. You can’t just start disappearing people in the United States…dragging them off to Madison Square Garden and torturing them, then dumping corpses into the Hudson as a lesson to others. But that doesn’t mean they have NO tools at their disposal.
There are certainly valid comparisons: The demonization of “The Left” – socialists, communists, “spreading the wealth”…sound familiar?
The attacks on ACORN – a small group of poorly funded community activists trying to get the poor registered to vote. It makes perfect sense, in a larger scheme, why taking that paltry little organization out of play would be important.
The things that are now commonly asserted about the poor, minorities and immigrants being responsible for the lack of jobs and increased taxes, when far more of the blame properly belongs to capital which finds greater profits by moving manufacturing to Vietnam, Indonesia and Mexico. Americans didn’t lose a single car plant to immigration, and those avocados in California were never going to be harvested by tea partiers in any event.

The propaganda spouted daily by Glenn Beck follows an eerily similar tone, vocabulary, structure and vibe – based largely on fear and ignorance – as what was written and said throughout South America in places like Chile, Argentina and Uruguay during those heady days when Kissinger was busy transforming the Western Hemisphere at the behest of vast agricultural and mineral capitalists – modern day robber barons.

Chomsky said, “Propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state.”

Cesca has spent the past year valiantly pounding his head against his keyboard in support of health care reform. He, like all thinking people, has some trouble understanding how in the fuck anyone can come out and scream in protest to defend the vast profits of insurance companies over the ability of a sick child to see a doctor without putting their families in the street.
“It’s goddamn socialism! Keep the government off my Medicare!”
The disconnect is profound, ain’t it? In a country with socialized roads, water, sewer, army, navy, air force, coast guard, schools…providing a doctor to the sick amounts to some sort of communist plot to take over everything. And that’s the result of propaganda – lies…BIG lies…told repeatedly, until people believe them.
Tip o’ the hat, Herr Goebbels.

Health care was finally, narrowly, passed.
Is it single payer? No.
Does it include a public option? No.
Is it remotely…even REMOTELY anything like socialism? No.
And yet anyone who voted for it now receives death threats for being a secret Maoist out to Stalinize America, steal from the rich and destroy the very fabric of this once great nation.

With the election of Barack Obama, the incessant drive to a pure, unrestrained, free market, Friedman-style capitalism in America was…well, if not halted, at least slowed. The philosophy that no regulations were the best regulations suddenly had a few road blocks. Not many, mind you…and none of them all that severe in fact. But look at the politics surrounding economic policy.
The Republicans, having spent thirty years trashing the economy by deregulation of capital, cutting taxes for the rich, allowing big business and the financial industry to do as they wished and take immense risks with other people’s money, continue to argue that the ONLY way out of this mess is…further deregulation and lower taxes, slashing social spending, cutting the social safety net. We saw what that did to Chile and Argentina…we’ve seen what that did to America, but the wind-up toy repetitive drone continues to chant the same tired bullshit.
The problem faced by the Republicans is that they failed so badly they got turfed – and dramatically – by the very people they were trying to fleece.
BUT that loss in November 2008 was not solely based on the paucity and failure of their economic policies. It had at least as much to do with the failure of their neocon foreign policy – failure to get Osama Bin Laden, engaging America in two wars, lying about WMD, fucking up Katrina, and a host of other abject cock-ups that were simply too big, too ugly and too flagrant to possibly be ignored.
In point of fact, and the evidence is not at all hidden if one cares to go look for it, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were far less about terrorism and 9/11 than they were about extending the principles of Friedman / Chicago School economic policies to those regions, and to the benefit of American capital. 9/11 certainly provided the excuse to act, but the plans had been drawn up thirty years before the towers came down.
Furthermore, the Democrats certainly have not taken the sort of steps one might have HOPED they would take to reign in the unmitigated drive to profit at any cost. They haven’t dramatically raised taxes, clamped down on the truly awful financial practices that created the mess we’re in, dramatically increased social spending, or any of the things a truly left wing government might properly consider, like REALLY nationalizing health care and implementing a progressive system of taxation. Of course, as between the Obama administration and another Bush administration, it’s clear which one big business would prefer.

In any event, I am beginning to wander far afield here…and I want to come back to my distant acquaintance, Bob, and his arch nemesis Glenn Beck.

The right wing in America – supporters of lower taxes for the rich, unrestrained free markets, private profit (though socialized risk) – do not have at their disposal the tactics of hauling their opposition from their homes in the middle of the night and killing them. One suspects they would like to, and the yammering nonsense of Glenn Beck and his ilk (Malkin, Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Liz Cheney, Michelle Bachmann, Jim DeMint….) certainly strikes a chord with those too ill-informed to understand the plot. And there is, of course, a great deal of overlap.
I don’t for one minute think that Michelle Bachmann gets the plot of Dr. Seuss books – she’s simply a believer. Ignorant, incurious, but marching with the flag and Jesus for the right of the people to be screwed over by the rich, fully convinced that that is what “America” is truly about.
Liz Cheney MIGHT get the plot, but she’s also a believer, and comes from a family with very tight connections to those who profit most from maintaining the status quo. She certainly isn’t going to advocate for real change any time soon. One doesn’t necessarily need to know the score to play the game with all one’s heart. Even conspiracies need foot soldiers.

One tactic that is certainly available to these passionate cretins, however, is to demonize, slander and to whatever extent possible, portray anyone opposed to their “core principles” as not only wrong but evil. Which brings us back to Glenn Beck.

That Beck acts out of self-interest is beyond question. That he speaks out of ignorance is also beyond question.
Glenn Beck is not an educated man. He’s a former drug addict, alcoholic, high school drop out fuck-up who bounced around talk radio perfecting a delivery worthy of any tent revival preacher seeking to con the rubes out of a few dollars for a laying on of the hands and a faith healing.
That Glenn Beck lies is also beyond question.
Exposing that is simple. But who’s going to listen?
It amounts, no matter how well done, to preaching to the choir.

Telling a tea partier that Glenn Beck is lying is like telling someone who believes in trans-channeling dead spirits that Grandma ISN’T really speaking from the grave. They BELIEVE IT, man…and all the evidence in the world is not going to convert the fans of Deepak Chopra, the creationists, the anti-vaccine freaks…or the dedicated Beck lovers.
Exposing Beck is simple…and accomplishes nothing.
Beck is a tool used by those who seek nothing more than the continuation of a mad rush to riches that far outstrip the offensive sums tucked away by Glenn Beck. The sermons preached by Beck and those like him are certainly harmful in that they misinform and mislead a rather dull segment of the American population…but that segment is never going to listen to reason anyway. They’re angry…for good reason…and Beck gives them simple answers and someone to blame. Those people have been fucked over – really and truly taken to the cleaners. They are pissed off and, sadly, the truth is complex. The truth is that they were NOT fucked over by socialists, Barack Obama, Liberals, immigrants, fascists, minorities, communists or any of the other targets commonly blamed by Beck in his teary, gasping rants. They were fucked over by the very people they ignorantly support and defend – the capitalists. The FREE MARKET capitalists. They were fucked over by the people they were raised to worship. People like Rupert Murdoch.

Rupert Murdoch has built a vast media empire – a modern day high-tech version of the sort of conglomeration that was so effectively exploited by bastards like William Randolph Hearst for vain political ends, and would not be tolerated in any state that had a rational self-interest as a core operating principle.
One may be certain that, in the back of their minds, is always the very real fact that they are using the PUBLIC airwaves to generate their revenues. The last thing any of these modern media moguls want to see is the same last thing corporatist swindlers want to see – the elevation of anything resembling real public interest above the pursuit of power and profit.
And how does one prevent such a thing from coming about? Well, one good way is make sure that a sufficient number of people never demand it…and ensuring that a significant number of people are willing to fight against it certainly helps. And this is accomplished through propaganda – by convincing that dull, deluded, partly racist, poorly educated, angry, frustrated group of pissed off Americans that the reason they’re suffering is not because a bunch of people who succeeded at “the American dream” (through hard work and good ideas just like they hope to do one day) in reality have been bending them over and fucking them up the ass while stealing their wallet.
You tell them, instead, that their dream was almost realized…but stolen by those who want to take their money and give it to the poor, the sick, the elderly. You tell them that their dream can be real again…if only they will permit business to thrive, and the only way to do that is more of the same thing that permits those successful people to drive nice cars, own big houses, and vacation in Italian villas; that anyone who wants to restrict the ability of business to generate that wealth, those opportunities FOR THEM, is a goddamn commie, fascist LIBERAL thief who hates America and wants to destroy it.
They don’t need to sell this line of shit to everyone. Everyone isn’t that stupid or gullible. They only need to sell enough of them so that real reform, real progress can never be achieved, and the pendulum will always have the chance to swing back again.
In this regard, frankly, David Frum is as bad as Glenn Beck. Granted, Frum is unlikely to push any borderline crazy people over the edge with his views on economic policy, nor is George Will or any of the other “intellectual” elements of the right wing. But they are out there, just the same, fomenting opposition to anything resembling real change. George Will has a rather tenuous grip on truth and reality, too…he just doesn’t fake tears and call everyone to the left him an evil, America-hating communist.

So, Bob…boychik…Cescala…
You go expose Beck. It’ll be equal parts easy, frustrating, funny, painful and pointless.
But if you really want to make a difference, we’re gonna have to find a way to reach out to those pissed off, rather dull Americans who respond to the dog whistle of Glenn Beck. We’re gonna have to find a way to SHOW them who has really been fucking them, and America, over a barrel and why they’ve lost their jobs, their retirement savings, their homes and their future. And we’re gonna have to show them how they can have that all back again. And that it isn’t by listening to imbecilic bawling clowns.

It raises an interesting sort of philosophical question, I suppose: How does one go about exposing a man who stands naked and bawling in the middle of the street? Perhaps it can be done.
I just think it’s more important to convince people that there are more effective ways to seek improvements – to obtain real improvement in their day to day lives, than following that naked man around. It’s definitely more difficult, but it seems to me the only way forward.


37 Responses

  1. Hey nice tirade, about a thousand degarding words and insults out of 3. You and Cesca are total hypocrite.
    Imagine Beck attacking others the way you and Cesca do. You both are just jealous and afraid that his methodical exposure of what the left’s objectives are will unseat you from power. You know it’s working.

    Bye !

    • Yeah…IMAGINE Beck attacking people. IMAGINE him calling people commies, fascists, racists…
      Oh, wait. No need to imagine. All you have to do is watch.
      EABOD, you gullible sucker.

    • Unseat the Left from power?

      That’s rather amusing. The idea that The Socialist Left controls the levers of power is hysterical for several reasons. First, there is really only one democratic socialist in Congress and he is Senator Bernie Sanders.

      While there are sitting Democrats who can legitimately be called Lefties, ultimately, they don’t hold power over their own party, never mind the US Government….and never mind REAL power.

      Perhaps a simple-as-Beck-worshippers comparison is in order. Sorry I don’t have a chalkboard (Perhaps Beck’s lone redeeming virtue is the low-tech chalkboard.) Imagine I’m drawing two circles.

      One circle is the “all powerful socialist” Democrats. They held Super Majorities in both houses and the Presidency. However, they weren’t able to pass a healthcare bill that would make an actual socialist do anything but laugh at it. There wasn’t even so much as a public/government OPTION in this bill, even one just limited to small numbers of people in temporary, unique, or emergency circumstances. Outside of Medicare and Medicaid and the VA, everything is still 100% in private hands.

      With complete “control” of the government, if the Democrats were actually powerful socialists, there would be a government monopoly on healthcare right now, a monopoly on healthcare insurance at the very least. Since there isn’t any of that, it is clear these socialist Democrats are either very weak, not very socialist or some combination of both. How much power does it require to pass a bill when you have way more than enough votes to do it? Apparently, much more power than the Democrats have.

      Meanwhile, let’s look at the other circle I’m drawing on the board. It represents the folks on Wall Street. Collectively, Wall Street financiers ran a Ponzi Scheme that made themselves incredibly rich at the expense of others. That Ponzi Scheme collapsed and clobbered the entire world economy, yet few of them even lost their jobs over it. Most got bonuses larger than the average American will earn over the rest of their lives.

      If you can get a bankrupt nation like America to hand you trillions of no-strings-attached dollars to cover your incompetent fuck-ups and fraudulent behaviour….you’ve got power! Add to that the fact that a good chunk of that money was dished out by a party that (on paper at least) is somewhat hostile to what you do. Well, that just shows you who has REAL power in America….and there ain’t too many socialists in that group, I assure you.

      REAL power pulls politicians’ strings and it has NO interest in “spreading the wealth”.

      • I never said that the Dems were lefties, or that we might expect anything like rational self-interest, much less public interest, could be elevated beyond the standard of corporate greed that has come to represent The American Way.
        But in terms of the headlong rush to pure Chicago School policies – utterly unregulated capital – Obama stands slightly closer to imposing some sort of sane brakes on that process than the GOP ever would.
        Not sure WTF you’re talking about in terms of having the votes. They had ’em, until Kennedy died and Brown won in MA.
        Of course, there were the Blue Dogs and Conservadems who opposed the public option…
        Look, I wish they’d govern like they might with those numbers, too…but, of course, it’s never that easy. There’s a world of difference between the IDEAL and GETTING THINGS DONE. This is why Obama pisses off the left so much. They expected him to come in and start slamming down hard left policy. That was never a practical expectation to begin with.
        The perfect is, in political terms, often the enemy of the possible.
        Nevertheless, the point remains: Obama IS getting things done. No, it isn’t nationalized health care. But it’s a step in the right direction, and accomplished despite a degree of rabid, insane, wingnut opposition that hasn’t been seen since George Wallace tried to prevent integration of the schools.

        • That’s kinda-sorta my point. I wasn’t really talking about what I WANT…because that never comes to pass (except in the bedroom).

          Much of the Beck/Teabagger/etc reaction is built upon a complete fallacy that being a Democrat means being part of some monolithic socialist conspiracy that has somehow managed to take over the nation.

          But despite being “socialists” who’ve “seized power” to force their agenda on America, nothing they proposed was remotely socialist and, even with more than enough votes to do it, they still failed at imposing their alleged agenda. Instead, they settled for the lame-ass “reform” they did get passed…and only just barely.

          Either way, Democrats proved they aren’t a monolithic block and are nothing to be feared by anybody. (Except, perhaps, real socialist reformers.)

          I was just trying to school the Liberty4Nobody crowd in a way he might understand as to who is REALLY in control.

          Chalk Circle A) Sackless pussies who supposedly had all the power (votes and -for a while- popular opinion) to impose whatever they wanted, yet still wound up losing.


          Chalk Circle B Con-artists who run a 3 Card Monty game for a living, who jizz on the face of the American public, snap their fingers, and get handed a trillion dollars from a bankrupt America they helped to bankrupt further.

        • Where’s Chalk Circle C? Mean pipe hittin’ niggers gon’ go to work on homes here with a pair o’ pliers and a blowtorch.

          Can you watch The Daily Show online? Stewart was fucking awesome last night.

        • Thanks to the geo-cock-blocking of feeds, as a Canadian, I can’t see any link to Comedy Central. I can watch on The Comedy Channel (Canada) but only if I know exactly what I’m looking for, when it aired and have a rabbit’s foot up my ass. Their search interface is a real bitch to use.

          I didn’t see last night’s show, but I’ve enjoyed seeing Stewart do the chalkboard bit in the past.

      • And if you ever yank that Beck Board out on ME again, I’ll track you down and make you eat your fucking chalk.

  2. Beck exists because the rest of the media is decidedly left-leaning and created an information hole. The people, not being fools, looked for additional sources of information to fact-check what they are being fed by the left. Public media are the least accurate way of getting information. The only hope of getting at the truth is to have opposing viewpoints. People need to compare, see what is consistent or not in the message, what’s being talked about or what’s not. This process is the only hope the people has of teasing out some semblance of “truth” from what are otherwise propaganda engines.

    Beck et al are not balanced but they are balancing, and this is vital.

    • The argument that the media is left-leaning is utterly false. I know it’s an article of faith with you FNC Beckheads, but it simply isn’t borne out by the evidence. Quite the opposite, in fact.
      People, at the least the “people” you’re talking about, are sadly not looking for information. There’s plenty enough of that out there and it isn’t hard to find. It just isn’t on the news programs, and it certainly isn’t on Fox. The people you’re talking about are looking for simple answers that agree with the biased perceptions they already bring to the table. They’re not at all interested in truth, merely in having their predetermined outcomes confirmed by the likes of blithering imbeciles such as Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh and the rest. You’re more than sufficient evidence of the truth of that proposition. Anything that doesn’t confirm your view is automatically left propaganda, while the nonsense that drools out of Beck’s mouth you consider balanced reportage.
      Look…I’m really not interested in debating you. You frankly lack anything like a reasoned perspective, and you already seem like the sort of imbecile who’s not interested, much less capable, of recognizing how misguided and backward your thinking is, so unless you have some evidence to back up your ridiculous claims (which is almost by definition impossible – there just isn’t evidence for the sort of fairy tales in which you invest), you can stop wasting your time here.
      Beck exists because he’s a tool, feeding stupid people simple answers in service of the very people even YOU, if you were half as perceptive as you think you are, would oppose.

    • Does Beck pay you ? I ask because you posted this same comment on Huffpost. Cesca’s thread.

      Same. Tripe.

    • There are so many problems with this statement, I don’t have time to respond to them in any significant way.

      While on the surface, the “balancing” approach may seem to some as quasi-reasonable, it just doesn’t transfer into reality. The fact-based, “objectivity” media model has all but been abandoned in favour of a model based upon the spewing of opinions. Some spew left wing opinions, but most media outlets favour those of the right. Where once journalists used to sort out the facts and editors tried to filter out opinions, it is now left up to the viewer to do all the work sorting it out.

      Just who the fuck has the time to listen to both sides (cause there are only two, don’t ya know?), research the facts by checking out other increasingly biased sources of info, then determine what is true and what isn’t? And then you have to decide what the right thing to do is. And somewhere in there you have to work, play, get laid, etc. Oh sure, you can expect that kind of effort from everybody!

      The reality is that the most effort the vast majority of people put into it is to simply tune into whatever source confirms their previously held opinions and tune out the rest, no matter how chock-full of bullshit the source is or isn’t.

      It’s truly sad for society that media outlets now consider “objectivity” to be standing aside and letting anybody with an opinion spew it unchallenged. They don’t care as long as the money keeps rolling in. The crazier the bullshit, the higher the ratings!

      • A thoughtful and well written reply. Sadly, I’ve banned Liberty4all from commenting. He’s a stupid, stubbornly obtuse, rancid little piece of shit who’s insistently ignorant and his butt stinks and he likes to smell his own butt.
        Perhaps if I’d known you were coming, I’d have let him hang out a little longer, Sedate Me. You’re just what his doctor ordered.

  3. I’ve seen how you and Bob verbally butt-fuck as you flip through your thesarus’s, acting as if you all know more than the masses about everything. It’s really quite pathetic.

    • Not to put too fine a point on it, but I’ve got “the masses” beat ALL TO HELL. And that includes you, junior. Now STFU and stop pestering your better. I’m sure if you dig deep enough, you can find someone, somewhere you can talk down to without needing a step ladder. Until then, you’re only climbing high enough to kiss my ass.

  4. Beck makes sense, do you?

    You piece is full of vitrol

    Instead of spouting more virtol why not a thoughtful break down of the “misinformation” and “lies” being spouted on the FOX news network…….. just a thought.

    • Understand THIS: Your right to comment here is predicated on relevance to the subject at hand, some very minimal degree of civility, and adding something to the conversation, which pretty much rules out most of what I’ve thus far permitted and all of that which I’ve tossed in the trash for being the juvenile ranting of a poorly educated, frustrated, fundamentally ignorant, backward little piece of shit.
      I need not break down the misinformation and lies presented daily on FNC. MediaMatters, Politifact and Snopes.com do a fine job of that. Go have a peek. I see no need to invest the effort in reproducing what is already done very well elsewhere.
      Now, you’ve been told. Let me tell you again: Fuck off, you simpering little bag of worthless snot.

  5. Cuz, you’ve already wasted too much energy on “Liberty4All” – as you said, all of the information is out there, one google search and a half a brain cell away. Anyone who needs you to spoon feed it to them, again and again and again while they plug their ears and stomp their feet, ain’t worth the effort.

    Liberty4All, you are being fooled. I’m sorry, it will be embarrassing once you finally realize it.

  6. @Liberty- the word is ‘vitriol’, meaning bitterly abusive expression, not ‘vitrol’. If your interest in the knowledge of the English language is so poor it is a clear reflection on how you feel about the search for knowledge in general. Avi’s piece is not full of vitriol, it’s full of insightful observation and COMPASSION for YOU! If you think anyone other than big business and unregulated bank/real estate profiteers hammered the general public of America you must be choosing to be blind. If you KNOW that roads, water, sewer, army, navy, air force, coast guard and schools are organized by government on a municipal, county, state and federal level yet conclude that universal quality medical care is socialist evil, then you are being deliberately stupid. Avi is very kindly pointing out who is fucking you- your own people- and he’s very clearly pointed out how and why- and you just dismiss it!,

    Please, I know you’re under a lot of pressure to have the same views as the people around you, your friends and family. If you ever pointed out the simple, clear observations made here to them you’d be marking yourself out from your group, which can be very scary. Actually I think you’re feeling threatened after reading Avi’s article because too much of it makes sense but contradicts what you believe in- why else do you keep coming back here? That’s ok. You can think about these things in the privacy of your own mind. We all have the right to think freely, but thinking freely is a double edged sword- sometimes your thinking becomes freer than people around you, which can be very frightening- thinking about what you would do if you shared those free thoughts- would you be cast out of the group, would your family still love you? Those are very real concerns, but that doesn’t change what the truth is, does it? It’s still there, in Avi’s article, like a splinter in your mind. At first you react to it instinctively- ITS WRONG, YOU’RE WRONG! but something that is true has a certain ring to it, more than just something that makes you feel good, or makes you feel angry, it rings true.
    Hope you stick around reading this blog (excuse Avi’s swearing, he’s just passionate) and I hope you start investigating for yourself what is reasonable and what is not- investigating how the world is for yourself. On that last point a simple fact recently discovered through DNA research is that the entire human race is a single family comprised of no more than 2000 generations. Cheers cuz!

    • So why the divergence and clearly human domination of intellect and industriousness. What other creature even comes remotely close? None. By the way, how does your brain store a memory, and the ability to access it, by relation to a recognized face, matching the sound of a voice, or odor? And how do billions of stem cells know to generate and migrate to a section of your brain to begin with during early development?

      • This comment is not only off topic, but riddled with a rather stunning degree of stupidity.
        There is no good evidence that humans possess a dominant “intellect” – whatever that might mean or however you might define it. Clearly there are other species with stunning abilities that we don’t begin to comprehend and certainly cannot match. It may be that cetaceans possess communicative abilities that far surpass our own; octopus, squid and cuttlefish may communicate complex information through colour change and biolumenescent flashing – we just don’t know. Bats navigate by sonar, bees give directions through interpretive dance and ants communicate (perhaps very complex) information through chemicals. Speaking of ants, you want to talk about industriousness…or termites and architecture (including natural air conditioning systems that operate very effectively in desert heat)…
        In fact, you have no evidence for your premise beyond a certain arrogant anthropomorphic idiocy. Of course, having arrived here to trumpet the value and honesty of Glenn Beck, one wouldn’t expect good thinking to suddenly appear in your neighbourhood.
        As for your moronic questions about stem cells, you clearly know less about developmental biology than all the other things about which you ignorantly yammer. Clearly, not knowing what the fuck you’re talking about doesn’t even slow you down, much less make you shut the fuck up.
        Now, look here, junior…YOU’VE BEEN TOLD. And told again…and then again. FUCK. OFF.
        You add nothing to the conversation. You lack the brains to play in my park. You just haven’t got the stuff. Go home, have some fucking milk and cookies, and find some other kids wearing helmets to play with. Your moronic, backward, thoughtless ignorance is not only not welcome and embarrassing you, it’s becoming fucking well tiresome.
        Go play elsewhere.

  7. Truly, I have a hard time understanding the left’s reaction to Beck. I could understand reasoned discourse, intelligent debate, and cross-checking of facts. What is more often seen, however, comes very close to hatred of the man himself, slanderously lashing out and accusing him of promoting hatred and violence. If you want to win in the arena of ideas, accusing someone of hatred and violence isn’t going to help your cause. The author of this article has accused Beck of acting in order to increase his audience and further his career, but instead of presenting evidence to support this view, he simply explores his own interpretation of Beck’s show. Neither does he attempt to make the case that a little bit of calculated drama is inherently wrong. I fail to see how it is immoral to incorporate dramatic elements into speech in order to attract more people to one’s cause. After all, Obama does this masterfully.

    • What’s so difficult to understand? Oh..wait..you’re being obtuse AND trying to be clever with words. I get it.
      Well, let me be clear: Beck lies. All the time. He punches the buttons of stupid people, ginning up fear and anger.
      He called the president a racist, he calls the idea of extending health care to everyone, in almost the same breath, socialism, communism, AND fascism. He suggests that any CHURCH that talks about “Social justice” ought to be abandoned.
      He’s, quite plainly, a blitheringly ignorant moron, who incite other stupid people to act against their own best interest by feeding them bullshit.
      Comparing Obama to Beck…really?
      You’re so fucking stubbornly, insistently obtuse. Now tell me how Sarah Palin is just like Hillary Clinton – both strong accomplished women. Sorry, junior…one is a graduate of law school with years of service in the senate and the white house. The other never finished a single job she ever held.
      Beck is a high school drop out / tent revival preacher who can’t separate fact from the fiction in his head. Comparing him to an educated, well-intentioned, successful, accomplished man like the POTUS is not only disingenuous, it reveals how far you’re willing to go in order to attempt to APPEAR like your making an argument. It reveals you as being …like BECK. Shit. No wonder you love him.
      Now, fuck off. You’re done here, troll boy.

      • Accomplished man? Has he ever held a real job? Seriously. Ever mowed a lawn, worked in a restaraunt while going through school? Worked in a factory production line? Managed anyone?

        AVI’S NOTE: THIS will be the last comment permitted from “Liberty4all”. I have no time for ignorant, stubborn, imbecilic trolls who think poorly, argue worse, and insist on being stubbornly obtuse. AS IF having mowed a lawn means a goddamn thing…and, of course, the implication is that one should include such household chores on one’s resume. As Sarah Palin considered that she “paid her taxes” was a real selling point when running for mayor of Wasilla, I guess Lib4all figures “mowed my own lawn” is some proof of character. Perhaps, like Lib4all’s hero, Glenn Beck, the president ought to have recovered from alcoholism before trying to get a real job faking tears for hillbillies, or applied for a job in a chicken processing plant where he could have learned the hard life lessons so well imparted to Lib4all’s mother. And, of course, being editor of the Harvard Law Review doesn’t involve any management skills at all.
        Fuck. The sheer stuborn stupidity of this commenter has driven me to inflict the rarest of punishments here at VNV – bannination. So…this is the ignorant fuckwit’s absolute last comment. Wish I could say it’s been fun, but it hasn’t.
        Anyone who wishes to commiserate with the fuckheaded spooge stain can email him at apluscoder@yahoo.com

        • Twice honored by Time magazine as one of the “100 Most Influential People in the World” (2005, 2007).


          U.S. Senator 2005 to Present
          State of Illinois, Chicago, IL / Washington, DC

          Elected to U.S. Senate to represent the citizens of the State of Illinois. Work across Democratic, Republican and Independent party lines to develop, craft and pass legislative actions, bills and amendments to best serve the American people.

          • ENERGY. Active and highly visible proponent of alternative energy to reduce U.S. reliance on foreign nations.
          → Introduced American Fuels Act to increase domestic production of biofuels, expand manufacture of ethanol-capable
          vehicles, offer tax credits to spur cellulosic fuel production and provide corporate incentives to expand green technologies.
          → Reintroduced Biofuels Security Act calling for 60B gallons of renewable biofuels in nation’s vehicle fuel supply by 2030.
          → Architected Oil SENSE Act eliminating unnecessary oil industry tax breaks.
          → Sponsored FILL UP Act requiring oil companies with $1B+ in profits to invest a minimum of 1% in E-85 pumps (ethanol).

          • FOREIGN POLICY. Pioneered innovative legislative actions to protect the citizens of the U.S. and foreign nations.
          → One of the first legislators to recognize the dangers of potential avian influenza pandemic and secured $25M for U.S.
          agencies working in Southeast Asia to combat and contain widespread disease outbreaks.
          → Created Darfur Peace and Accountability Act imposing sanctions for genocide and crimes against humanity.
          → Passed bipartisan amendment providing $13M for the Special Court of Sierra Leone to restore national justice.
          → Introduced Global Poverty Act, a comprehensive strategy to eliminate global poverty by 50% and achieve the Millennium
          Development Goal of reducing the proportion of people worldwide who live on less than $1 per day.

          • HOMELAND SECURITY. Instrumental in successful passage of legislation to protect America and its citizens.
          → Facilitated Chemical Security and Safety Act establishing a clear set of federal safety and mitigation regulations.
          → Co-sponsored amendments to increase rail and transit security by $12B and extend Terrorism Risk Insurance Act.
          → Spearheaded development of Spent Nuclear Fuel Tracking and Accountability Act to control nuclear waste.
          • CRIME. Lifelong proponent of stricter criminal laws for both violent and non-violent crime.
          → Fought for passage of Combat Meth Act providing money to fight methamphetamine manufacture and use/abuse.
          → Championed laws to combat sex crimes against children, including Dru’s Law (included in the larger Adam Walsh Child
          Protection Act) and Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act (foundation for National Sex Offender Public Registry).
          → Co-sponsored Violence Against Women Act providing funding for domestic violence, sexual assault and stalking.

          • ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION. Staunch advocate for passage of a host of environmental protection laws.
          → Co-sponsored Warming Pollution Reduction Act projected to reduce U.S. greenhouse gas emissions 80% by 2050.
          → Introduced Lead-Free Toys Act requiring Consumer Product Safety Commission to ban products containing lead.
          → Spearheaded Lead Poisoning Reduction Act requiring non-home-based child-care facilities be lead safe within 5 years
          and establishing $42.6M grant program to help local communities pay to make these facilities safe.

          • FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY. Leader of numerous initiatives to reduce government spending and abuse.
          → Created Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act, resulting in an Internet search engine and database to
          track hundreds of billions of dollars in federal grants, contracts, earmarks and loans.
          → Wrote amendment to require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, PACs or political parties for whom they collect funds.
          → Actively supported amendment to provide for transparency and accountability in military and security contracting.

          Highlights of Senatorial Committee & Committee Leadership Appointments:
          • Chairman, Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Affairs
          • Member, Senate Foreign Relations Committee
          • Member, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
          • Member, Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions
          • Member, Environmental and Public Works Committee
          • Member, Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs

          State Senator 1997 to 2004
          State of Illinois, Chicago, IL

          Won an intensely competitive Senatorial race. Partnered with Democrats, Republicans and Independents to pass favorable
          legislation (e.g., education, health care, government spending, campaign finance, law enforcement).
          • Provided $100+ million in tax cuts to families over 3 years through legislative changes to state tax law.
          • Provided permanent health care coverage to 154,000 low-income residents (including 70,000 children).
          • Reformed the state’s notorious death penalty laws to help prevent wrongful convictions.
          • Honored as a Keynote Speaker at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.

          Associate Attorney 1993 to 2002
          Davis, Miner & Barnhill, Chicago, IL
          • Litigated employment discrimination, housing discrimination and voting rights cases.


          Lecturer / Senior Lecturer 1992 to 2004
          University of Chicago Law School
          • Taught courses in General Law, Constitutional Law and Government Affairs.


          • Planned and orchestrated grassroots effort targeting unregistered voters throughout the Chicago metro area. Resulted in 150,000 new African-American voters.
          • Improved living conditions in poor neighborhoods plagued with crime and high unemployment through work with a church based group.


          J.D., Magna Cum Laude, HARVARD LAW SCHOOL, 1991
          President, Harvard Law Review (first African-American ever elected)
          B.A., Political Science, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY, 1983


          Passing stimulus, generating jobs. On February 17, 2009, Obama signed the $787 billion stimulus bill into law. In December 2009, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office issued a report estimating that “in the third quarter of calendar year 2009, an additional 600,000 to 1.6 million people were employed in the United States” due to that legislation. According to the White House Council of Economic Advisers, CBO has increased its estimate to 800,000 to 2.4 million additional employed through the fourth quarter of that year. Moreover, a November 20, 2009, New York Times article reported that the “consensus” among “dispassionate analysts” is that “the stimulus package, messy as it is, is working,” citing nonpartisan analyses of gross domestic product and total employment figures by several companies specializing in economic forecasting. Further, a January 25 USA Today article stated that, according to its “quarterly survey of 50 economists,” “[u]nemployment would have hit 10.8% — higher than December’s 10% rate — without Obama’s $787 billion stimulus program,” adding, “The difference would translate into another 1.2 million lost jobs.”

          Eliminating wasteful spending. Obama was able to achieve some significant cuts to wasteful spending — most notably, the elimination of the F-22 fighter jet program after he successfully lobbied the Senate to vote to strip out financing for more jets from a defense funding authorization bill. The Washington Times reported on January 14 that Obama won “60 percent of his proposed cuts” and also managed “to get Congress to ax several programs that had bedeviled President George W. Bush for years.”

          Sotomayor nomination. On May 26, 2009, Obama nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court to replace the retiring Justice David Souter. She was confirmed by the Senate on August 6, 2009, and sworn in August 8, making her the first Hispanic justice, and only the third woman, on the court.

          Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. The first bill President Obama signed into law, on January 29, 2009, was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which expands the rights of workers to sue employers over wage discrimination claims.

          SCHIP expansion. On February 5, 2009, Obama signed a bill expanding the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to cover 4 million more lower-income children.

          Public lands bill. On March 30, Obama signed an omnibus public lands bill, which The New York Times reported “allows for 2 million more acres to be declared wilderness… [with] more than 1,000 miles designated as scenic rivers, and adds land for national trails.”

          Credit card reform. On May 21, 2009, Obama signed into law a bill providing what USA Today called the “most sweeping changes to the credit card industry in 40 years,” adding restrictions on interest rate increases and fees and restricting the marketing of credit cards to college students.

          Transparency. The Washington Post reported that moves by the Obama administration to improve government transparency “included a ban on lobbyist gifts; restrictions on the hiring of lobbyists; publication of White House visitor logs and other records; and a move to bar lobbyists from serving on advisory boards.” A report by Common Cause, Democracy 21, the League of Women Voters, and U.S. PIRG stated that: “The cumulative effect of the Administration’s actions has been to adopt the strongest and most comprehensive lobbying, ethics and transparency rules and policies ever established by an Administration to govern its own activities.”

          Tobacco regulation. On June 22, 2009, Obama signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, which, for the first time, gave the U.S. Food & Drug Administration the authority to regulate the manufacturing, marketing, and sale of tobacco.

          National service. On April 21, 2009, Obama signed the Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, which expands the scope of AmeriCorps and provides opportunities for young people and senior citizens to join in service programs.

          Stem cell research. On May 9, 2009, Obama signed an executive order easing restrictions on the use of federal money for embryonic stem cell research.

        • Considering all the hostile, brain dead, fucktards who’ve blathered idiocy (and less relevant idiocy) here, you’re selecting out this fucktard for banishment?

          Is your patience waining, Cousinavi?

        • Waining cats and dogs.
          You, of course, are not privy to the 30 or so comments I just trashed for being (…and SM…you KNOW what I’ll put up with!) stunningly ignorant, massively imbecilic, foul, rotten, pustulated, oozing, fermented, tick-infested, rag-juiced, batshit insane, fuckheaded, sloppy, pee-flapping horseshit.

          Oh, and I think you meant waning. Not at all, man. I may ebb and I may flow…but that waxing and waning shit? I have a Filipino comes in once a week for that.

        • If I had a Filipino, I’d use her more than once a week!

  8. No.

  9. Oh, but Beck needs a thorough and broad debunking, one that might be a bit academic because his sources are old. That’s the beauty of it: no one has yet taken down Glenn Beck the way he needs to be taken down.

    • I’m on Cesca’s side in this. Go Quixote!
      I just don’t think “exposing” him does anything for those he most infects. They’ll see it as an attack on their god and love him all the more for suffering the slings and arrows.
      Those people – the ones Beck misleads – clearly need to be led. I think it has to be better to wake them up to their own self-interest, and (given the mentality) I doubt hammering at their delusions is the way to go.
      It’s a weak analogy – just off the top of my head, so cut me some slack here – but if we’re trying to get some cake addicted fattie to lay off the sugar, perhaps telling them that the baker is a real scum bag who profits from their misery is not the way to go. Maybe, if we give them some real food…let them TASTE the difference and find out how much better they feel on a diet of truth…a diet that actually brings them positive results, they’ll stop sucking down all that cake and come to their own conclusions about Famous Amos.

  10. What do you know? I ban someone for being an idiot…and, well, let me tell you how fucking stupid Liberty4all really is.

    Apparently he thinks that flooding me with 11 consecutive messages, half of which make no sense, the other half just foul-mouthed, juvenile, rancid cursing, is going to somehow make his way back onto the “Permitted to play with adults” list.

    Reminds me of the clip of Glenn Beck SCREAMING at a caller to his radio program. This poor little fuckwit has lost the plot, and is now kicking, screaming and banging his head against the sidewalk, determined to have his way or…or…
    I wonder how long he’ll keep banging his head like that.

    • Sheer volume is certainly a consideration when considering punishment. Maybe you could just selectively publish the “best” of his idiocy?

      I’m just not really a “banning” kind of guy. I prefer murder to banishment. It’s also more effective in the long run.

      • LOL. Brother, I live in Asia. Banned is dead. Deader than dead. He can’t even send me a nasty postcard.

        As for a Best of Liberty4all post…
        Imagine someone took about 30 shits on your front porch. Now you’re asking me to collect it all up and fashion it into some sort of ART?
        Fuck that.

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