Why Obama is a Racist

A recent post – Hillary Voters Threaten to Go McCain – generated some passionate replies.  One of the commenters (I believe) found my post by searching for hillaryis44.com – a  myopic HRC love-in blog that not only drinks the Clinton kool-aid, but manufactures their own flavours and serves them in tall, happy glasses.  In any case, what follows are the comments posted and my responses thereto.  I thought them worthy…well, that’s a stretch. They were long enough for their own thread.  I’m particulary amazed by the suggestion that white, rural Americans will not support Obama in the general election because HE’S a racist!  Talk about projection.

James Says:
It’s stuff like this garbage that makes the choice clear as a bell. I’m voting for McCain!

cousinavi  Says:
List three reasons John McCain would make a good president.
I’ll give you ten why he’s a disaster waiting to happen.

James (not same as first James) Says:
The problem isn’t why or why shouldn’t McCain be president. The problem is Obama. It’s great that Obama understands his race so well. It’s funny that early on the fear was he wasn’t “black enough”. The reality is he has made much of white america afraid of him. He has had meetings with terrorists and openly plans to meet with leaders of countries who sponser terrorism against our troops and that want to destroy Israel. His wife was never proud of America until white people started to vote for him. He called his grandmother a “typical white woman”. He has avoided campaigning in white rural areas, is he afraid of something? Hmm, what could that be? I wonder what the message is that his fear of rural white america portends? He has tried to explain these people he doesn’t understand to rich upper class white people in San Francisco, yet he doesn’t really get them at all.The dems feel they can win the white house without rural white america. They have to know by now that Obama will never get those votes. Sit back and wait for those states to turn blue and see how far it gets you. The democrats had a chance to elect a Clinton, who’s husband gave them the only 8 year term in most of their lifetimes. They chose to turn their backs on the Clintons. I’m now torn between hoping Hillary runs as an Independent and just waiting to see McCain destroy Obama in November, so that Hillary can run again in 2012.

cousinavi Says:
How predictable to hear a Hillary supporter blither on about Obama’s racism as the reason why “white, rural Americans” will not vote dem in the general. The Clinton camp has openly displayed the depth and breadth of their contempt for the American voter in terms of race, from the mouth of Hillary herself, just this week. I mean, really…do you miss the irony of poor, white hicks saying, “I’m not voting for a black man because he’s a racist.” Does even that degree of projection escape you? Have another tall glass of Hillary kool-aid.
And if you think the GOP has been any friend to white, rural America – or any American earning less than a few hundred thousand dollars per year, you need to pull your head out of your ass and take a look at the economy, the debt, the infrastructure….
Bill Clinton was a good president. But those days are gone and you can’t have them back by electing his craven, desperate, power hungry, lying wife. In fact, Bill’s behaviour during this primary has served only to severely harm his image and his legacy. He has proven himself just as willing to lie, dodge and play cheap, dirty politics as Hillary always was.
You yammer foolishly about Obama calling his grandmother a “typical white person”…WTF?
How about Bosnia, NAFTA, The Family Medical Leave Act, The Northern Ireland Peace process, White Water, Travelgate, claiming that Chelsea had to dodge falling debris on 9/11…?
If you’re deluded enough to think HRC ought to be president simply because she’s a Clinton, despite her lies and disreputable conduct during this race; to call Obama a racist as an excuse for YOU not to vote for a black man, and to idiotically permit a doddering, senile old warmonger like Senator Mumblefuck McCain into the Oval Office, you truly deserve the government you might well get: Four more years of fucked up neocon policies that have so well served America both at home and abroad for the past eight years.
You MUST be the idiot who stumbled onto this article by searching for HILLARYIS44.com. Go on back over to your little HRC knitting circle and save your stupid, delusional reasoning for those like-minded, hopelessly myopic twits.

James (not same as first James) Says:
This attitude you display makes my point. What’s amazing to me and others like me is you don’t see it. Over and over again Obama supporters claim that anyone who doesn’t support them is a racist or an idiot. Look in the mirror pal. Read your own post and read Obama’s speaches and tell me how they go hand in hand.

cousinavi  Says:
I don’t have to “claim” you are a racist. YOU brought up the issue of race. YOU accused Obama of being a racist (really a truly ridiculous thing to even suggest, much less believe…especially with Bill out there talking about Jesse Jackson and Hillary blithering on about poor, WHITE, rural voters and proud BLACK voters). Then you point out your own foolish assertion that Obama is a racist – something not even Bill O’Reilly has been stupid enough to try – as your reason for NOT voting for him.
You Hillary kids are as bad as your candidate. You have truly drunk the koolaid.
I never claimed that “anyone who does not support Obama is a racist”.
In fact, if you read the article, I clearly state that SOME HRC supporters simply want a woman in the white house. I hope they get one someday. Just not a lying, race-baiting, incompetent like Hillary.
Your kind keep chattering about her experience and ability…WHAT has she done? She’s told more lies than passed laws. The lowest common denominator in this race has been Hillary’s Rove-inspired playbook – photos of BHO in Muslim garb, 3AM phone call ads, clips of Osama Bin Laden…. That’s who you think would make a good president?
As far as the racism barb goes, my friend, it’s YOU who engage in projection: YOU call Obama a racist and proffer that as reason to not vote for him. It’s beyond silly. It’s cultish, pathetic and weak – sadly qualities all too evident over at your private hillaryis44.com love-in. Wait…let me guess…some of your best friends are black, huh?
As for anyone not supporting BHO being an idiot: Of the available cadidates, I’ll happily take a new approach over four more years of Bush policies, or the desperate, pandering, prevaricating, say-anything sense of entitlement that is Hillary Rodham Clinton. In fact, it’s not your choice that makes you an idiot, it’s the reasons for it. There might be some reasonable argument for supporting HRC, but you don’t mention any of them. I’d love to know what it is that makes HRC such a wise choice – something besides, “She has the ability to bring the country back!” A little more specificity would be appreciated, beneficial to your cause…but, of course, countered by all of her statements and behaviour (not to mention rafts of experts who unanimously pan Hillary’s proposed policies…but Hillary would never toss her lot in with a bunch of elites on matters related to the economy, especially when those experts are ECONOMISTS! Christ…how can you not gag on this?)
In any case, whatever her positive qualities, it’s merely that she’s made them very difficult to see or name with all her outright lies and underhanded tactics. However, the reasons you present quite plainly reveal that you are not interested in truth or reasonable debate…and that does make you an idiot.
Since you seem to have your head jammed really very far up your ass, here’s a pretty good take on who played the race card, and how it has played as an issue in this primary: Andrew Sullivan in the Times; even SNL gets it – Saturday Night Live – Why Hillary’s Staying
See if you can get your pointy little Hillary brain around it before posting here again.

 

James (not same as first James) Says:
Yes, I brought up race. Why is it ok to talk about hispanic voters and black voters, but when someone mentions white voters, people freak out.I’m honestly afraid of your candidate. It’s that simple. I tried to like him, I’ve got several friends who are into him and his speaches. My own step-father voted for him. And yes, my best friend is black and he supports Obama. I just don’t think we should be talking to terrorists, we should be killing them, bringing them to justice, arresting them or whatever it takes. Because what they’re going to do next is set off a nuclear bomb in this country and all the Obamas in the world and all the speaches won’t stop them. Only action will.
Which brings me to my biggest reason for supporting Hillary and now McCain. I don’t believe we can continue to project our will in the middle east and around the world and when we fail, just leave. We leave millions behind to suffer and it’s criminal. Hillary has said over and over again that she will get us out of Iraq in a responsible way and not leave the people behind who helped us. She has the support of the following former generals.

1. General Wesley Clark
2. Admiral William Owens
3. General Johnnie E. Wilson
4. Lt. Gen. Joe Ballard
5. Lt. Gen. Claudia J. Kennedy
6. Vice Admiral Joseph A. Sestak
7. Lt. Gen. Frederick E. Vollrath
8. Major General George A. Buskirk, Jr.
9. Major General Paul D. Eaton
10. Rear Admiral Stuart Platt
11. Rear Admiral David Stone
12. Major General Antonio M. Taguba
13. Brigadier General Michael Dunn
14. Brigadier General Evelyn “Pat” Foote
15. Brigadier General John M. Watkins, Jr.
16. Brigadier General Jack Yeager
17. Former Secretary of the Army and Veterans Affairs Togo West
18. Former Secretary of the Navy, John Dalton

What Hillary has also done is propose detailed solutions to this country’s foreclosure crises. She has proposed a health care system that leaves out no one. She has spoken in great detail about supporting our troops when they return home and she’s already worked for them in congress, which helped lead to her support among former generals. She has proven that she can work with Republicans in the senate and she earned their respect on the armed services commitee.

Since it appears I won’t have the candidate of my choice, I am turning my support over to John McCain. I feel that he won’t leave our troops without the support they need and he won’t abruptly leave behind the millions in Iraq who have risked their lives to assist us.

I didn’t support going into war. I didn’t support Bush or vote for him. I voted for Gore, I voted for Kerry, although I think Bush ran a better campaign than Kerry. Now, I’m left with the choice of a candidate that in my view is not going out of his way to relate to rural voters and instead tries to explain them to rich voters. This country will not be taken over by someone who doesn’t inspire support of the military families and doesn’t relate to rural coal miners, gun owners and church goers. It just won’t happen.

So, now I’ve had a rant and I know that’s what it is. I didn’t call you or your candidate names. Are you capable of stating your case without stooping to name calling and insults? That’s been the hallmark of Obama supporters and as good as it may make you feel, it’s not a winning strategy.
 

cousinavi Says:
First of all, the word is SPEECH; plural SPEECHES. Not speach.
Hypothetical, currently non-existant nuclear bombs being set off in America by terrorists? That’s your reasoning? Good lord. Are you really George Bush? Where to begin?
Firstly, that’s precisely the politics of fear bullshit that has allowed a bumbling moron to gut the constitution and invade Iraq. It’s bullshit from the start, and when you employ it as a point, you simply fail to present an argument worth answering. If it’s terrorism you’re worried about, there’s a really simple way to avoid it: Stop participating in it.
They have no bomb, and staying over there destroying their country and killing their brothers, uncles, cousins and fathers is no way to dissuade them from wanting to bomb you.
America has no more business in Iraq today than it did in Iran forty years ago when it toppled the democratically elected government and installed the Shah. If America has problems with Iran today, it’s because America MADE those problems.
I can’t quite make out whether or not you think it’s a good idea to “project our will” in the middle east or not. If you think invading countries that have done nothing to you is a good idea, then by all means, vote for McCain – he’s definitely your guy. If you think “obliterating” Iran is a fine notion, then stick with Hillary. Neither of them pay ANY attention to America’s shameful history of foreign policy fuckups in that part of the world and they both totally buy into the idea that “they” (Muslims?) are the antithesis of all that is good, just, right, and of course American.
When you make a huge, bone-headed mistake like plunging into the Iraq war, you don’t find some way to keep going until it’s all better. You get the fuck out of there and stop wasting money, political capital and American lives.
Of the choices before us, we have one who will continue to exert American military might as a means of advancing foreign policy, another who voted for the war without bothering to read the intelligence report before casting her ballot, and one who said at the outset that this war is a mistake. Which of those three do you think demonstrates the sort of judgement that is requisite in a president?
You construct a straw man argument when you assert that Obama “will withdraw our troops without the support they need.” What sort of bullshit is that? Does supporting our troops equal leaving them in Iraq until they either win or die? I certainly fucking hope not. You may rest assured that Barack Obama supports the troops. He supports them SO much, he wants to bring them home so they can be with their families and resume their jobs and education, and not stay over there fighting a bullshit war that cannot be won at the cost of their limbs, lives and sanity.
And speaking of “supporting the troops,” would that we had had a president who refused to LIE America into a war over WMD; lie about spreading democracy and creating a stable, democratic Iraq, and then lie about progress on the ground, while sending troops into combat without proper body armour or armour plating on their vehicles; who takes every opportunity to have his photo-ops (Mission Accomplished, turkey dinner…with a fucking prop turkey), yet who has never attended even a single funeral of those soldiers for whom he claims to weep. Yes, James, we’ve had quite enough of presidential power unchecked by such trifling things as truth.
As for the “millions” of Iraqis that support America…where in the name of the FSM did you get that number? I know…like the rest of your stats, you pulled it out of your ass. If America were concerned with the fate of everyday Iraqi citizens, they should have left Saddam in place. Yeah, he was a bastard, but he kept the lid on the Shi’ite, Sunni, Kurd, AQ quagmire America now finds itself amidst. Spreading democracy, indeed.
The fact that a GOP bag-licking general like Wes Clarke and his ilk have chosen to support HRC is not really an endorsement that ought to carry any weight, but I’m sure you’re more than dazzled by the medals. Frankly, I give more weight to the endorsements piled up by Barack Obama – people whose job it is to conduct foreign policy and know something about those other people and countries, rather than just carry out orders from incompetent draft-dodgers like Cheney and Rumsfeld.
People like:
1. Clifford Alexander, Jr., former Secretary of the Army
2. Richard Danzig, former Secretary of the Navy
3. Scott Gration Major General (USAF-Ret), former Director of Strategy, Policy, and Assessments of the United States European Command in Germany
4. Donald Joseph Guter, former Judge Advocate General of the Navy, current Dean, Duquesne University School of Law, Pittsburgh
5. John Hutson, former Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy
6. Jeh Johnson, former General Counsel of the U.S. Air Force
7. Lester Lyles, former Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force
8. John B. Nathman (Ret), former Commander, U.S. Fleet Forces Command and Vice Chief of Naval Operations
9. F. Whitten Peters, former Secretary of the Air Force
10. Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Advisor
11. Greg Craig, former Assistant to the President and Director of Policy Planning, State Department
12. William M. Daley, former Secretary of Commerce
13. Bob Gee, former United States Assistant Secretary of Energy under Bill Clinton
14. Eric Holder, former Deputy Attorney General
15. Douglas Kmiec, legal counsel to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, and co-chairman of Romney’s Committee for the Courts and the Constitution
16. Noel Koch, former Special Assistant to President Nixon; former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs
17. Lawrence Korb, former Assistant Secretary of Defense
18. Anthony Lake, former National Security Advisor under Bill Clinton
19. Robert Litt, former Principal Associate Deputy Attorney General; US Attorney
20. Jan Lodal, former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense
21. Angela E. Oh, former member, of the President’s Initiative on Race
22. Susan E. Rice, former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs
23. David Scheffer, former Ambassador-at-Large for War Crimes Issues
24. Sarah Sewell, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
25. Gayle Smith, former Special Assistant to the President, National Security Council
26. Ted Sorensen, President John F. Kennedy’s top advisor and speechwriter
27. Tara Sonenshine, former Special Assistant to the President, National Security Council
28. Jeffrey Bader, former U.S. Ambassador to Namibia and Fmr. Assistant US Trade Representative for Asia
29. Henri Barkey, former member of U.S. Department of State Policy Planning and Professor of Lehigh University
30. David Birenbaum, former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. for Management and Reform
31. Esther Brimmer, former member of U.S. Department of State Policy Planning
32. Art Brown, former National Intelligence Officer for East Asia and Chief of CIA’s East Asian Operations Division
33. Mark Brzezinski, former Director of European Affairs of National Security Council
34. Joseph Cirincione, Vice President for National Security and International Policy at the Center for American Progress
35. Bonnie Cohen, former Undersecretary of State for Management
36. Ivo H. Daalder, former Director, European Affairs, National Security Council
37. Tobi Gati, former Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research; Senior Director for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasian Affairs, National Security Council
38. Robert S. Gelbard, former Presidential Envoy for the Balkans; Assistant Secretary of State for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement; Ambassador to Indonesia; and Ambassador to Bolivia
39. Matthew Goodman, former Director for Asian Affairs, National Security Council
40. Philip Gordon, former Director, European Affairs, National Security Council

As for military families, it’s really one-sided (at best), or the sort of ignorance of detail that is part and parcel of drinking too much Hillary kool-aid (at worst) to assert that he does not have their support. He, in point of fact, has far more support from the boots on the ground than any other candidate. Why is that? Because HE wants to BRING THEM HOME. If Hillary were such a strong candidate, why is she lending her campaign money while SOLDIERS are donating to Obama in amazing numbers (do the research – these are public figures). In actual fact – and I know facts are not your strong point – the “military families” you claim do not support Obama, DO support Obama…in record numbers, and with their wallets.

Hillary’s proposal on the foreclosure crisis has been savaged by people who know a few things about the economy; her health care plan requires – REQUIRES BY LAW – that you buy it. Are you nuts? This is what you want? To have the police come and arrest poor people because they can’t afford to pay for insurance you have mandated they MUST purchase. Heckuva solution! If you put them in prison, then the state is on the hook for their health care.
One would think Hillary’s last go ’round on “fixing” health care would be instructive of what you might expect. The words “horrible clusterfuck” come to mind. But, and of course, without examining any of the details – oh, those pesky details – you simply yammer that HRC has A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM FOR EVERYONE!

So, you want a candidate who will go out of his way to relate to rural voters – the very voters you previously asserted would never vote for a black man. Sheesh. Really, now. Sorry. Obama is not in the pandering business. He’s in the business of conducting America’s foreign and domestic policy in such a manner as to improve the lives of citizens and relations with the rest of the world. Not something you will get from Old Senator Mumblefuck McCain and 100 years in Iraq, or from Hillary’s “I have a solution (that very few experts think has a snowball’s chance in hell of actually working, but trust her).

If you’re really worried about terrorists coming to America, then elect a president who WILL talk to Iran and Syria, not some warmonger who, I promise you, will make matters much worse…or Hillary, who demonstrated her foreign policy experience by ummm….ummm…oh yeah…sniper fire in Bosnia and solving the N. Ireland Peace process over tea.

James…I gotta say. You make having reasoned debate really difficult, and not from the strength of your arguments. It’s more like trying to get someone who BELIEVES in fairy tales to see that there’s really no such thing as unicorns.
I also notice, despite your earlier apoplexy over race and how Obama is a racist, AND despite my providing a link to an article that, IMO, fairly sets out who played the race card and how, you have failed to address that issue in your lengthy reply. Merely changing the tune when you can’t match the steps is not good strategy and goes a long way to explaining why Hillary’s support (everywhere except over at hillaryis44.com) is eroding like a sand castle at high tide.
While I appreciate your passion and dedication, you would do well to exchange half of it for taking a fair look around at something more than the flyers and doorknob hangers printed up by the Hillary Rodham Clinton for President Committee. The truth IS out there, but it won’t come looking for you. You have to go find it. And Hillary Clinton has amply and repeatedly demonstrated that she isn’t on speaking terms with the truth.

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16 Responses

  1. Actually, I would like to see Hillary Clinton in the white house just because I like her policies better. I think she’d make a better president. I think accusing her of racism is just as absurd as accusing Obama of racism. I don’t think at this point trying to convince Clinton supporters that Obama would make a good president is going to do any good, or vice versa. The camps seem to have solidified.

  2. Oh Jesus. I knew adding hillaryis44 as a tag was gonna be trouble.
    You like her policies better, eh? Could you be a little more specific about which ones, why you like them, how they’re different from or better than either of the alternatives?
    And please, I’ve had enough of, “She has presented detailed solutions to the _______ crisis…” Bleh. What details? A summer gas holiday. Double bleh.
    Accusing Obama of racism is absurd – he has said and done absolutely nothing that might even remotely be so construed.
    The same cannot be said of Hillary, Bill, their campaign advisors and staff, their spoekspersons or the campaign itself. They have played the race card face up, face down, dealt it from the bottom, dealt it second, culled it from the discards and played it again.
    So don’t try to come off like some reasoning mediator by saying it’s unfair to accuse either of them. It’s perfectly fair, and supported by overwhelming evidence in Hillary’s own words.

  3. If you don’t want a comment, why allow them? I am trying to be reasonable. I dislike Obama intensely, but I don’t think he’s a racist. Go ahead and scream racism. That helps everyone.

  4. I’m not calling you a racist because you dislike Obama, as you say, intensely. Although, one is moved to wonder what could make you dislike someone intensely without seeming to state why.
    My dislike of HRC stems from her lies, her pandering to the lowest common denominator, the way she has played the race card and the gender card in this campaign and her employment of the politics of fear. Her recent comments that “Obama’s support among hard-working WHITE voters who haven’t finished college is weakening”…? Good God, man…does she have to say nigger before you notice how she’s playing her last cards? It bespeaks a craven and vicious desperation that one might have hoped the Democratic party would rise above, even while expecting it from the GOP.
    Of COURSE you don’t think Obama’s a racist. You’d have to be pretty fucking stupid to think that. WTF? You kids are so used to twisting everything through your Hillary prism that you can’t keep yourself straight any longer.

  5. Wonderful post. I do hate to see people supporting a candidate for reasons of propoganda without even researching it themselves. Many Hillary voters (other than the pro-McCain republican switch overs) seem to take her on her word for everything, like they are cult zombie drones about to drink some poisoned kool-aid.
    What I dislike the most is that I see a lot of people who just want to vote for her because they want a female president. They even admit that is the only reason they vote for her, as if they do not care about America at all, they just want to have a female president, even if it were to be the D.C. Madam (not picking on her, just the first woman I can pull off the top of my head that is commonly known). I honestly would love to see a female president in America, but I want it to be done right. If Hillary is president, I have a feeling that she will be the last female president for a while.
    I like your blog so far, it may be the first one I actually watch.

  6. I have read each of their books (2 for 2), looked over their stated policies on their web sites, watched each of them in action in debates and campaigning. I am sure I have done what many other people including you have done and we have reached different conclusions. I think Obama’s policies on health care and energy in particular are less well developed than Clinton’s. I prefer universal health care under a payer system than health care only for children. The reason I dislike Obama intensely is that he plays into the messianic hype that surrounds him. He won’t engage in debate, and when he performs in a lackluster way he blames others. Indeed, in his speech on race and Rev. Wright, he blamed others for not understanding Wright. Now, I think that is true somewhat, although it was an interesting verbal trick to make everyone think that it was their problem for not liking what Rev. Wright was saying. I think by and large Rev. Wright is better than most of the white evangelical preachers I hear on TV. But then Obama denounced him. Where was the loyalty?

    And what about sexism? Is that less than racism? I disagree that Clinton has been racist. You probably disagree that Obama has been sexist. At the beginning of this primary season, I had a hard time making up my mind. Obama’s book Dreams From my Father, his arrogance and his sexism made me dislike him. That’s all there is to it.

  7. “I think (his) policies are less well developed.” No specifics…of course.

    “health care only for children” – inaccurate. HRC wants mandates.

    Messianic hype? WTF?

    Won’t engage in debate??? They’ve had, what?…21 debates? And the last one – the Stephanopolous/Clinton love-in sham debate. LOL!

    You don’t think Hillary has been racist? Andrew Sullivan in the Times – link above. Read and address, in detail.
    It’s one thing to believe your candidate is not a racist, another to dispute evidence – Bill’s comments re: Jesse Jackson; photos of BHO in Muslim garb; doctoring of Obama photos; Hillary’s comments re: poor, white voters.
    Some evidence of Obama’s “sexism”, rather than more blanket BS assertions, please.

    Much like your craven candidate, you have no real answers, only appeals to principles based on misleading assertions of factoids that are unrelated to anything that has actually occured.

    Of course, none of it matters anymore. The Clintons have been shown the math and the door. What’s truly sad is that they are so desperate for power they will resort to any underhanded tactic…and, quite obviously, so will their supporters…to avoid the simple truth.

    Here, not only evidence of the hypocrisy of HRC claiming she wants to count everyone’s vote, but of the sort of dirty, racist tactics the Clintons employ in their filthy little quest for power:
    This is what you get with the Clinton’s…even in states she can win.

  8. you know,it dont matter, whats going to happen in this world is going to happen .bitch ,gripe give your opinion ,whatever .say what you want ,some will agree, some wont. big deal. mouthing off is not going to change a damn thing.if you want to comment on what i just said go ahead i dont give a shit .

  9. Does anyone else see the irony in Sonny’s comment?
    “My comment is that commenting is a pointless waste of time and changes nothing. Feel free to comment on my comment. I don’t care.”

    …but, but…but if everything you say is false, then what you said is false, which means that everything you say is true, which means that what you said is false, but you said it was false, so it’s true…ok…wait a sec…
    I think Ol’ Sonny meant to join in the Hillbot thread but was so confused he merely got lost.

  10. cousinavi Says: YOU brought up the issue of race. YOU accused Obama of being a racist (really a truly ridiculous thing to even suggest, much less believe

    Why can’t Obama be a racist. Because Obama is black and racists are white? If thats what you think then you are the racist. I heard that Obama attends a church whose the pastor has made several racist statements.

  11. @Statistics

    Apparently you have a problem with simple English comprehension. That’s really too bad, as it clearly impacts your ability to comprehend simple argument, or make informed decisions in your own interest.

    To be really pathetically simple about it, in the HOPE that you’ll wise the fuck up, I never said Obama CAN’T be a racist, I said it’s ridiculous to suggest that he is. To the claimant falls the burden of proof, so I would ask that you provide some…ANY…evidence that Barack Obama is a racist.
    As for his former pastor, give it a rest. McCain has cozied up to Pat Robertson and John Hagee among others. Knowing someone who espouses arguably racist opinions does not make one a racist. And if you’re making decisions based on what you “heard”, please refrain from voting at all – you don’t seem to take enough interest in the facts to justify casting a ballot, you lazy ignorant fucktard.

  12. Thank you, the avalanche of logic under which you crushed poor James was a most amusing spectacle.

    The problem of course is that prejudice is not rational, and those who cling to it do so much more stubbornly than your average unicorn. I don’t know US politics well and am hesitant to project this onto much of the population, but people like James who talk about how Obama ‘has made rural white people afraid of him’ (rural is not the operative word here) without being able to point to anything he’s done… *sigh*

    I am less willing than you to blame Hillary for ‘race-baiting’ though, in delivering herself of the opinion that Obama is not appealing to poor rural white people. If you can be ‘baited’ into bigotry then you are a bigot (and you’re not likely to be voting for Obama anyway). That’s not Hillary’s fault, regardless of whether she did or did not seek to use the racism of large swathes of America’s population to her advantage. Actually if Obama had said that poor rural men are not voting for Hillary I wouldn’t even have noticed.

  13. If you whip them up and benefit from their froth, you have “baited”. Sharks are sharks…and you know full well what they’ll do if you toss bloody tuna in the water. Hillary…and especially Bill…may not have created new bigots, but they cravenly and obviously directed them to waddle down to the polling station and cast an anti-N***** ballot.
    Poor rural men are not voting for Hillary or Barack. That’s McCain turf.

  14. Hm…So, I can’t say typical BLACK person, but O’Bama can get away with saying “typical WHITE person.” Bud, you really have some TWISTED logic.

  15. Hey guys I’m looking for the speach obama made were he said that america was not a christain nation but a muslim nation. can u help me out with that. thnks.

    • Sorry, Henry…that’s not what he said.
      He said America is not “A Christian nation,” that’s true. America is not a country founded on religion, or founded by believers in any particular interventionist god.
      Obama said, after noting this simple truth about America, that it is a country comprised of many different people, of many different faiths, specifically mentioning Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and non-believers.
      So, if you’re looking for material to prop up some sort of Muslim conspiracy teabagger claim, you’re gonna have to resort (as they generally do) to lying about it.

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